Israel: America's Shame and Humanity's Stain

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http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr81.html

Wow, that must be one of the most brainwashing anti-Jewish articles I've ever read... Hope no1 falls for such b***s**t.

Brain Washing, your excuses are pathetic, i bet you didnt even bother to read it, You stand for everything against Arabs and Muslims, oh wait, ur Israeli, im not surprised.

I did bother to read it, as well as many many other articles on Palestinian, Lebanese, Egyptian and other Pro-Palestinian sites.
They all were brainwashing, if I may say so.

I've seen and talked to Palestinians and Israeli Arabs.
If you wanna know... My friends call me Leftist and Arab-lover.

Defending Israel's actions doesn't mean being Pro-Israeli or Anti-Palestinian. The way people here say Anti-Israeli things and I become Israel's attorney, some of my friends say Anti-Palestinian things and then I back up the Palestinian side.

"oh wait, ur Israeli, I'm not surprised" - You think that all Israelis hate Muslims and Arabs? That'd be total denial of the truth, especially when there are 1,300,000 Israeli Arabs among which, 1,100,00 are Muslim. Do they hate themselves or their brothers? Or did you mean Israeli JEWS?

Israeli JEWS see Israeli Arabs almost everyday. (They're over 20% of the total population in Israel) They hate Arabs probably as much as American white people hate black people.

You having a name Anti-Jihad led me to belive that you hate arabs/muslims, since you dont know the real meaning of Jihad.

I never said i hated Israelis and Jews, when im trying to protect Palestinians i get called anti-semetic and i want Israel to be destroyed,

I never said that all Israelis hate Palestinians neither, i made that comment on you, for my links to be called Brain Washing is an insult mainly because i see no lies what so ever, now if you make your self much better and tell me how my links are brain washing and biased , i will listen and i would check it out.

David Duke seems to be anti-semetic since he tries to expose them, whats wrong with telling people the truth?
Ofcorse you just cant take it without fully researching it, you have research it, get the information based on it from both sides and come to a conclusion.

hold on a second here...lets not forget the definition of semite..

Definition of Semitic: Semite derives from the name of Noah's son, Shem, the father of the Semitic-speaking peoples. Semitic refers to LANGUAGES, not a religion or ethnicity. It refers to the Semitic languages of Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Assyrian, Babylonian, Ethiopian and others. It has NOTHING to do with Jews or Judaism.

Given that the majority of Jews are neither related to the original Israelites nor speak Hebrew, most therefore are not Semites, while all Arabs are by definition Semites given their Arabic language. SO let's stop this hypocritical manipulation of Anti-Semitism to silence criticism of Israel.

it is clear that this article is meant to brainwash. Just read and you'll see how much hatred is buried within. Drawn to false conclusions, the author mixes facts with opinions, false assumptions and conclusions with theories - a perfect formula to get into people's minds and persuade them to believe in your idea.

Here's an example:

So basicly anything that exposes Israel is biased and brainwashing, Good Job! (sarcasm)

No. Who said "anything"? So far I only claimed that this article alone is biased and brainwashing

So in this particular article, he blames Israel for the hatred on America and you say its all biased and crap, well its up to person to think about it and think about the recent events, you saying that its biased because it blames Israel is only your opinion and doesnt have to be true.

No, this article is more than biased, it's based on lies. The author's declaration of his conclusions as facts is pure deception.

Ill read it more when i have time and will come back to you.

Anti Israel is not anti-Jewish. Get over it.

Antizionist, read the quote and open your eyes.

No its not! Because it's a fact that most Jews are Zionists, so by saying that Jews control the government is not being anti-Jewish, it's simply a fact! Everyone knows that the media and goverment is run by Jews, I've even run a separate thread on it. What would be racist is if it said something like "the Jews are killing Palestinians" because then it would be putting the blame on the entire nation.

If somebody is anti-Iran, which a lot of people are for understandable reason (threat to peace, anti-Western, probably building nuclear weapons) does that make them anti-Muslim? Or if somebody hates the Arab dictatorships does that mean they hate all Arabs around the world? What you are saying is absurd.

Saying that Jews control the government is NOT a fact. It's a paranoic theory which captures the minds of many people.

USA is a democratic country. 300 million Americans choose their president, their governors. Among them, there's only 2% Jews and only 2% Muslims.

But why do you tell America: "Wake up, your government has Jewish politicians". They'd say: "We know... we elected them..."

Or maybe there's some big plot: Very rich Jews bribe the poor American government so that they'll support Israel... hmm, no, then the money Israel gets from USA would count as Jewish money...

Please explain your interesting theory of how Jews control the American government.

He can't. Just like he couldn't see how painfully obvious it was that this story was slanted. You layed it all out for him, explained where and how the bias,inaccuracies,and lies were and he STILL said I'll have to look into it. Some believe it when they see it and others see it when they believe it.

I was amused to read this discussion where you people talk of logically deducing the statements and then end up doing the same mistakes in your own opinions. I think it is a proven fact in any country where politicians are allowed private fundings for their election campaigns, the financial backers of the successful candidate extract their benefits fom the government in exchange for their money. This may be in terms of business propositions or ideological backing or otherwise. It wouldn't need telling that a significant percentage of the backing provided to campaigners in America whether for senate or presidency is from jewish conglomerates. Regarding your pertinent observations about jewish American presidents, are they really jewish I don't think so but yeah they have a soft spot for Israel policies because of what I mentioned above. About your money plot the money that any prospective presidential candidate will get from rich jews for his campaigning will hardly be a fraction of what Israel gets from America annually as aid even though it hardly needs it. And believe me the rich jews haven't got enough money to bribe the American government as the whole Israeli government still takes aid from the American government really the American taxpayers.

They control the government firstly many Jews fund parties so governments don't want to upset them, there are plenty of Jewish MP's and most importantly if the American government start going against Israel then the Jewish-run media will start to say bad stuff about them e.t.c and they won't stay in for a second term.

I love the way you start off."They control the Gov". Matter of factly. Even though you were asked to provide proof AND did NOT,you still say it as fact. Certainly a Democrat quality in you coming out.

I was wondering and this came to me, did the US go to war with Iraq so Israel would scratch off one enemy? I can see how this could be true and i bet Israel pressured the US to do it.

No...we went because of the oil. Didn't ya hear?

Both of you are wrong. We attacked Iraq because the ruler of that country was a brutal dictator that tortured hundreds of thousands of people and a threat to peace. But besides the point....

Why do you think that the whole world apart from the US condemn Israel? Why do you think America are afraid to criticise Israel.

May I quote, Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, who was awarded the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize: "The Israeli government is placed on a pedestal [in the US], and to criticize it is to be immediately dubbed anti-Semitic," he said. "People are scared in this country, to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful -- very powerful."

What a beautiful summary.

How about Benjamin Ginsberg, a JEWISH author: "Since the 1960s, Jews have come to wield considerable influence in American economic, cultural, intellectual and political life. Jews played a central role in American finance during the 1980s, and they were among the chief beneficiaries of that decade's corporate mergers and reorganizations."

What about another Benjamin Ginsberg quote?

"Today, though barely three percent of the nation's population is Jewish, yet close to half its billionaires are Jews. The chief executive officers of the three major television networks and the four largest film studios are Jews."

"In a few key sectors of the media, notably among Hollywood studio executives, Jews are so numerically dominant that calling these businesses Jewish-controlled is little more than a statistical observation ... Hollywood at the end of the twentieth century is still an industry with a pronounced ethnic tinge. Virtually all the senior executives at the major studios are Jews. Writers, producers, and to a lesser degree directors are disproportionately Jewish -- one recent study showed the figure as high as 59 percent among top-grossing films."

So many Jews in one of America's most lucrative and important industries gives the Jews of Hollywood a great deal of political power. They are a major source of money for Democratic candidates.

One member of the influential Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations "estimated Jews alone had contributed 50 percent of the funds for Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign."

Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has spoken with blunt exasperation about the Jewish-Israeli hold on the United States:

"I've never seen a President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."

To say that Jews don't have too much influence in America is ludicrous. Because of it, America are wasting billions of its dollars on Israel.

Didn't Clinton make sure the Palestineans got 98% of West bank? Not good enough I guess because suicide bombers were still promised . Was there an attack on Israel the next day? What incentives are there for capitulation? Good post BTW anti

Are you trying to suggest that Clinton was PRO-PALESTINIAN??

He was the biggest Israel-supporter American President ever!

A great read:

http://100777.com/node/view/682

No. He was Pro-Clinton. But you suggested that every American President is looking out for Israel only and I just wanted to show you that it is just not the case. Who wouldn't want that debacle to end?

Clinton was pro-Clinton? Damn, you do come up with some ******** don't you! LOL!! It's like saying that TWBR is pro-TWBR! It just doesn't make sense! Fool. Every American President helps Israel not because they genuinely like Israel but because of the Jewish pressure put on them.

I don't expect you to get it. It suggests that all Bill Clinton cared about is himself. Mental Giant you are not.

Colin powell grew up in a Jewish neighborhood!

Fuck!

Another Jew controlling the government!

Look what ever, he point is that Jews have lots of influence in the USA, and America don't support Israel because they actually like them, in fact they cause USA lots of trouble e.g.

- loads of money wasted on them (3.5 billion a year MINIMUM)
- give away weapons for practically nothing
- unwanted risk of terrorist attacks for supporting Israel

It is because they want to stay on the right side of the powerful Jewish lobby in the USA.

Uh.

A) Israel gets around 2 Billion.
B) Israel Uses some of that 2 Billion to purchase those weapons, so the money goes right back into the US economy.
C) So the US should let its foreign policy be determined by the demands of terrorists? That's pretty cowardly.

Did you know Foreign aid makes up about 10% of 1% of the US's spending budget? That includes Foreign aid not only to Israel, but also to Egypt.

The official, on-the-table U.S. aid to Israel --rarely, if at all, addressed in the mainstream media-- is $3,000,000,000 (40% economical and 60% Military) since 1984 and $2,500,000,000 since 1973. Add to that $1,271,000,000/yr for special gifts and programs subsidized by the U.S., such as the Arrow missile and the Lavi fighter, plus the loan guarantees of $10,000,000,000 over 5 years, plus the interest ($500,000,000/yr) the U.S. must pay on money borrowed to pay for the grants to Israel. The total for the past five years (1993-1997) was around $6,300,000,000/year ($6.3 BILLION) or over $17 Million/DAY. This is more than what the U.S. spends on domestic drug enforcement.

Merkava, did you know that the US charge Israel 1 DOLLAR for the best guns? Ye, it goes right back into the US economy, my ass.