How can you say that coalition forces are TRYING to bomb civilians?

Post-9/11 Era Forum

Some anti-coalition people are saying that the US is trying to bomb civilians, and that the US is in a war againt the people of Iraq.

OK lets examine this. In 1 night of bombing alone coalition forces dropped over 3000 bombs on Iraqi military targets. Lets take that number and divide it by 2 and spread it out over the whole conflict.

That's 15,000 bombs dropped, and is probably a conservative estimate. There have been 2 or 3 incidents where possibly an american bomb went off target and killed as many as 30-50 people.

First, if all of these cases were american bombs, and missed their intended targets, then that is an error ratio of (3/15000) * 100 = for a tiny 0.06% error percentage.

Second, it sucks that innocent people are dying in this conflict. I doubt you would find anyone anywhere (except for the Fedayen) that would disagree with that. But you cannot say for an instant that the US is trying to kill civilians in the bombing campaign.

Lets look at the numbers for a second. If the US was trying to kill civilians, lets average 30 people killed per bomb. 450,000 Iraqi's would be dead. Obviously that is not the case, and obviously when the US says they are not trying to target or bomb innocent civilians, it is not propoganda, but a fact.

It may be a bit insensitive to use math when it comes to peoples lives, however it does prove the US's statement to be true. They are doing their best to save lives.

who said that coalition goal was to bomb Iraqi people ?

what has been said is there are "colateral damage" in any war and when the war is not legitimate what is the name ?

Again, troops have no choice, they do what they have been told
but citizens are hostages and they pay a high price .....

But it's the choice of U.S./U.K. ...........

THIS IS DEAD FACT.

The Iraqi regime has killed more civilians and its own people than anything the coalition has done. This includes people not wanting to fight, human shields, forcing people to attack coalition forces and locals uprising against the regime.

The people still protecting this regime astound me when this is true.

Fred Hooper

@ fred hooper

****, last answer to you

so you give the right to the coalition to kill at least the same amount of people Saddam killed ?

quote:

locals uprising against the regime

Who asked the Shiite to make an uprising against Saddam ?

BUSH FATHER, so U.S. gov

Who forgot to tell the Shiite that once Iraqi soldiers will be out of Koweit they will have to count on themselves ?

BUSH FATHER, so U.S. gov

Who didn't move one finger to save the Shiite when Saddam started to kill them ?

BUSH FATHER, so U.S. gov

Who supported Saddam by selling biological, chemical and others WMD bases to Saddam during Iran/Iraq war ?

U.S. gov, ask Rumsfeld

Who didn't move a finger during the usage of these WMD against Iran soldiers ?

U.S. gov

Who didn't move during the bloodbath of Kurds with these WMD ?

BUSH FATHER, so U.S. gov


So SYM or say something interesting ....

You don't care about people as you gov ....

But remember that: unfortunately you will the price and if you don't see that it means that maby you are already dead ......


euh, for me, you are ... added to the list

Nobody said that the invading coalition forces are trying to bomb civilians. We just said that they ARE bombing civilians.



Rambo your filthy garbage is becoming repetitive and really boring. Try to at least make your crap sound more convincing maybe some losers would listen to you. check your president's speeches for some tips.

Rambo : your arguments are detrimental to pro-war people. and unfortunately to this forum's moderators too.

which mistake ?

not overthrowing Saddam in 1991 ?

he had no choice, the resolution was to kick out Saddam from Kuweit, and he knew that before asking Shiite to fight against Saddam ...

reparing:

there is no U.N. resolution to overthrow Saddam ...... but disarming ....

BUSH jr made another mistake and now, as I said, the wrasp's nest is shaked ....

And what he will do ? bomb muslim world ?

Bebert,

Perhaps you misread the topic.

The topic at hand is NOT

"whether or not the innocents that die are important",

but rather is

"Is there evidence that Coalition forces are TRYING to target civilians?"

The answer to the second question is obviously No. The first question however is not covered in this thread.




(edited a nasty unneccesary message)

Look, these are bombs, big heavy incredibly explosive devices designed to detroy tanks, buildings, and will aniolate people, so of course we are not dropping happy love pills.

The targets they are targeting are hard military targets that are put by Sadam inside of Bagdad where he hopes the americans WILL kill civilians so he can pressure the US and grow public outrage because of the afformentioned deaths. So, you cannot blame the US for trying to destroy military targets that their enemy has placed within its own cities. The above math only shows that the US really is trying **** hard not to kill the civilians in the area of these military targets.

Of course, "What other military choice does sadam have?" is more of a somewhat valid arguement. His forces have zero air capability and need some sort of cover to even survive, but does it have to be behind civilians? Yet then lets look at the real cause here, does Sadam have to put all of his military targets in the middle of a city, in the most likely place possible to kill civilians? No. Did this war have to start at all? No. Sadam could have resigned.

YADDA, YADDA ,YADDA, Geez you guys kill me with this stuff.
Outrageous numbers are constantly thrown around, "100,000 civilians will die in this war!"
Let the numbers tell the truth when the wars over, until then, give it a rest.