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Israel kills five Palestinians


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/F907135E-3EA2-4137-9EAB-C93E92AF4393/31051/2A64F8C37628467A92C9E32F0F4AC785.jpg
An AFP photographer was shot by soldiers in Jenin a day earlier


Israeli troops have shot dead five Palestinian gunmen in the West Bank city of Jenin during an Israeli raid.
Israeli military sources said the troops engaged in a gun fight after being fired upon by the men in a car.

Palestinian witnesses said Israeli forces dressed as locals drove into Jenin and targeted a car carrying the five al-Aqsa Brigades militants.

The incident came hours after reports that the Israeli and Palestinian prime ministers would meet next week.


Officials on both sides said the two leaders had agreed to the meeting - their first since they came to office - but no date had yet been set.

An unnamed Palestinian official was quoted as saying the summit is expected to take place on 16 March.

'Massacre'

Israeli military sources said the troops entered Jenin to carry out an arrest.


They said the troops had been acting on information that the five were on their way to carry out an attack at the Jewish settlement of Qadim, just outside Jenin.

A brief gun fight followed and the men were killed, the sources said.

But Palestinian witnesses said the Israeli undercover forces deliberately targeted the members of the al-Aqsa Brigades - an armed faction associated with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement.

"This is one of the massacres committed day and night by the Israelis," Mr Arafat told reporters at his Ramallah headquarters.

Summit plans

Several attempts to arrange talks between Mr Qurei and Mr Sharon have been made over the past few months, so far without result.


Qurei said a meeting must stand a chance of success

On Tuesday, Mr Qurei told the BBC a meeting would only happen if there was a strong chance it would produce results.

Israel's Haaretz newspaper said a date for the meeting had been tentatively set for next Tuesday, but discussions on finalising details were continuing.

Mr Qurei became prime minister in October 2003, replacing Mahmoud Abbas who resigned after a brief power struggle with Mr Arafat.

Egypt role

News of the planned summit emerged amid a flurry of diplomatic activity triggered by Israel's proposed withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

After talks with Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman, Mr Arafat said the Palestinian Authority was ready to assume control of the Gaza Strip at "every level".

But Mr Arafat insisted an Israeli withdrawal should only happen within the framework of the Middle East peace plan, known as the roadmap.

Mr Suleiman is already reported to have met Mr Sharon and the Israeli foreign intelligence chief, Meir Dagan, earlier this week.

On Thursday, Israel's Foreign Minister, Silvan Shalom, is due to visit Egypt for a summit with President Hosni Mubarak.

A date for the proposed pullout has yet to be announced and the Egyptians are especially wary of getting dragged in to help contain the aftermath, the BBC's Wyre Davies in Ramallah says.

Palestinian militants have been known to smuggle weapons from Egypt, which borders the Gaza Strip.

Israeli tanks and bulldozers on Wednesday entered the Rafah refugee camp on the Egypt-Gaza border, in what the army said was a mission to uncover tunnels used for weapons smuggling.

Hamas statement

On Wednesday, the militant Palestinian group, Hamas, said it was making contingency plans to run the Gaza Strip after the Israeli withdrawal.

Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmad Yassin said his organisation would co-ordinate its plans with other Palestinian factions.

But a Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip is precisely the kind of development that neither Israel nor the Palestinian Authority want to see, the BBC's Arab affairs analyst, Magdi Abdelhadi, says.

Washington and neighbouring Arab states are also wary of the risk, he adds.

BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3499004.stm

Haaretz Daily - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/403345.html

AlJazeera - http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...93E92AF4393.htm

Do you ever read any other websites that doesn't show such biased views? I mean even in this article their calling it a massacre and Israel was fighting with gunmen plotting to go into Israel and commit some kind of terrorist act. So is Israel suppose to simply do nothing ever and let them continue to bomb innocent civilians as they shop and eat?

So who is in control of Palestinian land? Certainly not the PA. Maybe Sharon should simply leave them out and bargain with the 20 terrorist orgs running the land. God knows the PA are ineffective. Hamas decides when they want to do what they want, including taking over parts of the land and you wonder why there's no peace.

Look i provided 3 links, If you dont like the one i posted, then go and email BBC and ask them why they are biased, and i also provided an Israeli link, read it.

My point exactly. See, I believe you search the web everyday for this stuff, probably on Aljazeera. Then you look for other accounts of the story on other sites to back it up. I'm quite sure in your searching you disgard the sites you come across that doesn't support your positions.

TW, I don't have anything against ya kiddo. I just don't think you're well informed. Hey, I could be wrong though right?

I dont have anything against you either, you point out many things that arabs/palestinians have done to **** up the situacion and i dont blame you

See TWBR, I want your people to have peace. We know they are oppressed, I think no one denies that. However when you sow violence, you don't reap peace. If I plant apples, I can't expect oranges.

See I think its hard for you to see objectively because of the conditions of your people. You're too close to it. You have to be willing to say when wrong is wrong though TW. I know the pain runs deep and there's many reasons for it, not just the ones you post on the board almost every day.

I hope there's peace soon.

Same here, lets hope and see what happens in the future

I think you are being unfair to TWBR. He is the only poster who manages to back up his stories with soures, and he doesn't just provide one but three separate sources, showing the news from different perspectives.

Antizion I don't think I'm being unfair at all. One only needs to look at the title of the threads he's posting, and there are a numerous ones, to know exactly what he's getting at.

Take for instance this article at the top. The title is "Israel kills 5 Palestinians" yet the title of the article he posted says "Palestinian gunmen shot in Jenin".

Now anti-zion are you saying that TW isn't posting this info to show how unjust Israel is? That's not the message he potrays. He does post articles with 3 sources thank goodness so you can check it out yourself. But sometimes when he post articles that read "Palestinian freedom fighters" when describing men crawling under the fences with harmful intentions, I already know they're from an Arab site.

No Freedom fighters are the Palestinian gunmen who try to fight off the Israeli soldeirs entering Palestinian territory, it doesnt describe Palestinian gunmen going into Israel and killing Israeli civilians.

Freedom Fighters = should be classified as Civilians since they are trying to protect the Palestinian people.

Ok, well when Israel responds to a bombing by going after those responsible they call them "freedom fighters". The very ones they go after. In your article you posted today "IDF Kills 2 Palestinians" even though they were trying to crawl under the fence to do harm to some civilians, admitted by Hamas, the article calls them "Palestinian resistance fighters".

There is no one authority in charge of Palestinian areas. This is a problem don't you think TW? Any one of those groups can send someone at any given time and every time Israel will retaliate and you lay the blame for this cycle squarely at Israel's feet.

Once they enter Israeli land, then they are not Freedom Fighters anymore, if they are close to a fence, instead of opening fire, make them surender, if they dont and they open fire then Israeli soldiers are going to have to fight them.

They ARE freedom/resistance fighters to those who sympathise and understand the Palestinians terrible situation.

They ARE militants to those who are completely neutral on the conflict.

And they ARE terrorists to those who support Israel, namely the Zionists and the American media.

Ok let me add some more, if they intend to harm Israeli civilians then they are not Freedom Fighters, they are Terrorists.

Amen TW

They ARE freedom fighters though! To somebody who understands their situation, it is apparent that they are pushed to doing it. They have no other choice. They die for their FREEDOM. For if it wasn't for the suicide bombers Israel would take out all the Palestinians thinking they were pushovers.

ISRAEL push the Palestinians into doing this.

Very True, but aslong they intend to harm the Israeli civilians then they are not Freedom Fighters, If they are in Palestinian territory and they are trying to fight of the Israeli Soldiers then yes, they are classified as Freedom Fighters,

I also belive that Israel fuels the hatred on Israel, thus creating more violence by the Palestinians.

And suicide bombers don't fuel Israeli retaliations? That's ridiculous to say Israel gives Palestinians no other choice. Suicide bombers are a result of brainwashing period. There are other nations who brainwash their people to commit such acts that are not oppressed like Palestinians are. This is nothing but excuse to continue an inhumane practice.

So, when retaliation comes, then you cannot blame Israel for the idiots that cause this. It's not Israel as much as it it hate that creates these suicide bombers.

I do belive that Suicide Bombing is in fault also, it makes Israel search homes and hunt for terrorists, also, Israel does not give Palestinians any other choice, the only choice they have is to be a terrorists, try to fight of the Israeli soldiers entering Palestinian territory, or go live like your an insect and fear of dying everyday.

Exactly, oneofpeace what do you think is a good alternative for them?

Because they're brainwashed with the upbringing of hate. It doesn't take Palestinian living conditions to make a suicide bomber.

No this, Suicide bombers bomb because they see it as effective, in what I don't know but all I"ve seen it do is bring them further grief. Think about it. Would Jenin ever had occurred had these bombings not be taking place?

Somehow I already here TW saying yes.

Jenin would never happen if there wasnt any suicide bombings, in fact, the Palestinians would have a state if suicide bombings never happened.
Suicide Bombings would have never happened in Israel started to treat Palestinians like Humans, would not kill Palestinians civilians, would not have commited tons of Massacres, and would give the Palestinians SOME of the land that they deserv.

Somehow I already here OneOfPeace saying yes.

So nevermind the murders in Hebron and the previous uprisings earlier that decade, let's just skip right ahead to what Israel's done.

If war wasn't waged against Israel, then Palestinians would never have been in refugee camps today. I don't know what else to tell you TW. Somehow you can skip decades of animosities and arrive at 1947 and start from there. So since Palestinians and Arabs have been unsuccessful in massacring Israel it's all Israel's fault?

Well since Antizion doesn't want to answer the question maybe you will TW. Why are they not angry with the Jordanians? After all, they got 3/4 of the land and Israel got less than 1/4.

Sorry, OFP, we cant link incidents that have nothing to do with the Israel and Palestine situacion, this would not work, just like Merkava trying to link Palestine with the Holocaust.

I see, so you have no answer either? This is the height of hypocracy by Arabs and Palestinians and you say it has nothing to do with Israel and Palestine? So why do you and Antizion bring the US into this when you say we support Israel?

This is so disengenuous and is a perfect example of how much hate this is about instead of justice.

because America gives Israel billions of dollars and it supplys Israel with Military weapons, such as tanks, helicopters, and guns.