Why Saddam Hussein is the best Allay to the United States of America??

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Why Saddam Hussein is the best Allay to the United States of America??

A question which only few people can answer, Saddam have done so many good things to the Americans and Israel during his 34 years in power, huge developments in the region was done because of his good deeds to America, he have reshaped the middle east area to suit the American strategy in the region.
Let me brief you on some of the things happened because of Saddam Hussein and why he was the best allay to the USA. I will leave the judgment for your selves and see if he was the best American Allay or not.

1. in 1980 Saddam started a war against Iran to stop the Khumainy revolution to be exported to the region, if Iran had the chance, then Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and all gulf states, would have fallen to the extremist Islamic rules, by then Petrol would be used to pressure America and the west. So Saddam put a stop to that.
2. during that war (1980 to 1988) most of the Iraqi army was supplied by weapons and ammunitions form America and the west, chemical weapons, long range missiles, airplanes (Iraq rented out few French Super Intender to sink Iranian navy ships and oil tankers, using Exosit air to see missile), that would explain the huge loans to Iraq by America and the west.
3. in 1990 he made his move to Kuwait base on an advice by the American ambassador to Iraq (forgot the name of the lady), by doing this he gave the green light to the US to step into the gulf states and Saudi Arabia. Now the American presence in the oil rich states is there to stay and having permanent military bases.
4. during that time, all Saudi money and Kuwaiti money was drained out in the name of liberating Kuwait and protecting Saudi Arabia, and for the first time in the present history (then) both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were borrowing money to maintain the American protection for them (all their money went to the USA).
5. Due to the Kuwaiti and Saudi debits, both countries start selling more oil to cover up their loans which lead to oil price drop.
6. reconstructing Kuwait was done by American companies (more business opportunity)
7. American weapons sales boost to the maximum, (defending the countries , Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from a mad man) creating so many job opportunities for the Americans.
8. America came and forced Saddam out of Kuwait, leading the way for a strong military presence in the gulf, and because of the show of force, all Arab leaders feared for their chairs and power and pushed for the Israel – Palestine peace talks, Arafat agreed and sat down with Israel to negotiate in Madrid.
9. Every bullet fired by the American army during the 1991 war was paid by Iraq and that contributed more to Iraqi debits to the USA.
10. In 1991 the embargo was enforced on Iraq (not Saddam Hussein) and oil was reserved underground (for future use), when the food for oil program took place few years later, most of the oil was sold to the US in return for food.
11. Saddam created the saga of weapons of mass destruction; he had them once (with the assistance and blessings of America and the west), and the program was dismantled in early 90’s. But he insisted on making others to believe that he still have WMD but actually it was not there (no evidence yet to prove that in 2003 Iraq was developing or have WDM). Now it has been more than 11 months since his fall and America couldn’t have any proof to support that Iraq was targeting other countries and causing threats to other nations.
12. The last good act by Saddam to Americans was giving up Iraq to them for free; he didn’t even fight for his own self. What a jock

You hit the bull Asantana. All of this are relevant points. Not only the US, but all the weapons-selling western countries were involved in manipulative games in the area with their own interests in mind. For sure, considering moral issues, a lot of people should be tried for that - and in my opinion I make no distinction between such or such western country.
A difference however. The US actions are more visible from an order of magnitude, given their power on the world scale. But you still have some people here calling names, pointing fingers, blaming others, perched on their soap boxes of self righteousness and blind certainties. As if this hipocrisy was not enough, they would not hesitate to use all kind of rhetorics and biased accusations to make the case. This is dishonesty at its worst.

Man when these war supporters read this, they are gonna flip

America is a great country. We indeed do a lot of good in our benevolence. But there are times like this that are not so benevolent.

Just hold on to your hat Asantana, I think you set the chickens loose.

No arguements there, exceept for the 50 mph spin on that curve ball.

28 Apr 1937 Saddam Hussein born, Tikrit, Iraq.

1956 Joins Baath Socialist Party.

1959 Saddam Hussein attempts to assassinate the Prime Minister of Iraq.

25 Feb 1960 Saddam Hussein sentenced to death for attempting to assassinate the Prime Minister.

16 Jul 1979 Saddam Hussein elected President of Iraq.

4 Sep 1980 Iraq declares war on Iran to seize oil reserves.

2 Aug 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait.

7 Aug 1990 Operation Desert Shield commences.

23 Aug 1990 Saddam Hussein appears on television with 15 British citizens held captive in Iraq, including a 5-year-old boy named Stuart Lockwood.

16 Jan 1991 Operation Desert Storm commences with the aerial bombardment of Iraq.

17 Feb 1998 During a speech at the Pentagon, President Bill Clinton declares: "In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals, who travel the world among us unnoticed. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity -- even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program. But if we act as one, we can safeguard our interests and send a clear message to every would-be tyrant and terrorist."

16 Dec 2000 Secretary of State nominee Colin Powell declares: "Saddam Hussein is sitting on a failed regime that is not going to be around in a few years' time."
there will finally overthrow Saddam."

14 Oct 2002 During a speech in Dearborn, Michigan, President George W Bush declares that Saddam Hussein maintains active ties to al Qaeda: "This is a man that we know has had connections with al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al Qaeda as a forward army."

7 Nov 2002 During a press conference, President George W Bush declares: "Some people say, 'Oh, we must leave Saddam alone, otherwise, if we did something against him, he might attack us.' Well, if we don't do something he might attack us, and he might attack us with a more serious weapon. The man is a threat... He's a threat because he is dealing with al Qaeda... And we're going to deal with him."

19 Mar 2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom commences, with an airborne attack by the U.S.

9 Apr 2003 Statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad toppled by U.S. troops, and then beaten with sandals.

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Let me add:

His Reign - He tortured and killed his own defenseless civilians.

he was made in the USA, and just like American cars, powerful and cheap, once you reach your destenation and you find a better car, you dump your old one and get a new one for the new trip

And still, the bads outweigh the "goods," if you consider thsoe good.

Advance you left so much out of your little randition of "why Saddam was deposed" I don't even know where to start.

What is it you guys don't get? We invaded and searched his country only to find that we have nothing but paperwork. Nevermind that every accusation Bush levied at Saddam still lacks concrete evidence.

I never even seen one of you guys ask the obvious question some of you depict us as anti-patriots for. Why didn't we find any WMD? The day we invaded we said Saddam had them. Now I've heard so many explanations as to why we haven't that I get a headache.

Don't any of you find if questionable that after initial rejection of any investigations, Bush only agreed to it after the findings wouldn't be publish until next year, well after elections? I mean do any of you suffer from any form of skepticism or simply have any questions that start with "why"?

Advance just wanted to clear up two of the points that you got wrong.
1. Iraq declared war on Iran over Khumainy revolution apparently he was protecting Iraqs intrests.
2. Stuart Lockwood and his family and friends were never captured or held aginst there will they went to Iraq of there own accord in protest to the impending war. There are pictures of Sadamm talking to and hugging the kid. Considering that the UK governmnet knew where the Lockwoods were and also the fact that there were Spies and Special forces in Iraq at the time why did the UK not rescue these poor captured souls? because they were happy to stay thats why.

Just out of inteest because I do not know why was hen sentenced to death and the got away with it?

lodge what point did I get wrong, I'm confused. I never mentioned these two incidents it was Advance. I was just merely pointing out that he left some things out of the equation.

Maybe you meant Asantana. Since Asantana is from that region, I'd be more inclined to believe her/his point of view about what happened in his homeland. It doesn't make her/him right, but just lends weight to his statements.

The point I think Asantana is making is that The US turned a blind eye to Saddam's sins until he invaded Kuwait. This was directly affecting the interest of America, and subsequently it was the pressure of America that deposed the dictator.

I can pretty much say this without convictions. Saddam would still be in power today if he never rubbed the US the wrong way despite what he's done in the past.

Without US protection, Sharon would have been prosecuted for war crimes over the massacres at chantilly.

Right now Sharon is building an illigal wall through someone elses land. Not all Palastinians are terrorists but their land is fair game and the Israeli take it with US protected impunity in full view of the word. What does the US do? It goes tut tut.

Defend it how you want - the Israelis believe the land is there's and they are going to take it by force using US and British supplied equipment, bought with the millions of dollars America sends them every year.

It is both the Israelis and Palastinians that suffer the most because of this conflict, but the whole world has also had to put up with 40 years of terrorism because of just this one hot-spot. If we are quite prepared to kill 20,000 innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq because of the "war on terrorism" then only a fool thinks that we couldn't - if the will was there - bring to an end what is one of the biggest causes of hatred between East and West.

Peace just to clear up any confusion on my previous post my points were aimed at advance not you.

Peace,

Although your repeated and factual accounts of the situation, and whatever the new facts and detailed evidence that may come to light in the future, you will earn the same sarcasms from the same persons.
I mean - this is an universal behaviour. Whatever the country, whatever the culture, you will still find delusional people to grip on their own conception of reality. It has nothing to do with age, experience of life, even education.
For quite a long time I have been wondering how and why how whole populations could fall blindly in the claws of a dictator (Nazi Germany, Vichy's France, ...). Why and how stalinism could brainwash a whole part of the european population even though the truth was transpiring about goulags and millions of deads in USSR. It is all about human psychology. Either you have the lucidity to face the truth, or you can choose the easyness of appearences and digested biased info. We all have to deal with this appearant aspect of things.
It is perhaps one of the reason why a movie like "Matrix" reached such a success. It speaks volumes about the stakes and fears of this era.
If Orwell was to come back now, would he write the equivalent of "1984" ? Probably he would be a journalist. For the reality beats the fiction.

Actually Curley, he/she makes a better argument than you. However I don't feel right about ripping a child to shreds, although when I do it to you, it feels like the same thing.

Ok now that the small talk is out of the way, let's start anew Advance. Why is it that you support the war?

Let me start by suggesting one of your points as a first point of debate.

You say that Bush had credible evidence at the time. So what evidence was credible that Saddam possesed WMD? Do you know that Bush had others that disgreed with this and they were not only dismissed but discouraged from saying as much? How about the defector's statement Colin Powel used in his presentation to the US that Saddam was trying to find a way to produce a nuclear weapons program, but never presented what this same defector said about Saddam having chemical and biological weapons. He said they were destroyed by UN inspectors in 95.

Now if I present a story to you from facts I gather and use this tactic, wouldn't this sound "credible" when in fact it's dishonest to do so?

Actually I am writing a short "essay" ATM. Just wait. Why don't you do the same?

Can't wait to read it. I'm sure it will reflect objectivity. Just be prepared for rebuttal.

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