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Israel & Palestine Forum

Since people here dont claim that Israel doesnt target civilians, im going to keep posting Videos of Israeli brutality to remind you guys.

Israelis killing French News Reporter
http://www.sphrconcordia.org/videos...ws_Reporter.wmv

Israelis breaking bones of 2 Palestinians
http://www.sphrconcordia.org/videos/breakingbones.wmv

Israelis killing a Palestinian, ive heard that he got away but he gets shot a couple of times
http://www.sphrconcordia.org/videos...an_civilian.wmv

A Nice Palestinian Rap group making a nice song , "Who are the Terrorists" its in arabic but it has sub titles
http://www.jsalloum.org/erhabe.wmv

Ill be adding more videos soon, lets be thank ful that atleast we get some type of video of Israeli harrassment, to protect out claim that they are Terrorists too.

I guess this is the part where I come in and tell you that the first video doesn't have any French reporter in it, the second one has Palestinians getting hand cuffed and getting roughenened up a bit, and the third one is a well known event. Can you say Rubber bullets?

Why does the quality suck so bad? Is it because these video intend on being misleading?

Your excuses are only to be laughed at.....

This is how Israel searches homes
http://cbc.ca/clips/ram-lo/macdonald_censored020318.ram

Awesome.

Maybe next time the Abdullah family will decide to NOT have a bomb factory in their basement.

They search a house, kill the wife, and find nothing, and you call that awsome? Good Job idiot

I didn't even open it, I just assumed that I've seen it before - which I have.

And you were backwards.

They Blew off the door, and then the wife died.

They didn't "Search the house" and then "kill the wife".


Im done for tonight.

So who killed the wife? If thats your aproach then why dont i say that the Palestinian terrorists dont kill Israeli civilians, the bombs that they use to blow up them selves and kill the Israelis kill them.

They didnt search the house? So those holes and the destruction they were doing after they killed the wife was for decoration?

http://www.pmw.org.il/new/tv.html

There are some nice videos for you.

It doesnt matter in what order they did it, they still killed a woman of 2 kids for no reason.

So then its ok to kill a woman inorder to search a house?

Nope.

Completely Israel's fault.

Or rather, was it the individual soldier's fault?

Well they dont want to be there, Israel makes them, so either way, its their fault.

They can always refuse service in the territories - and as you clearly see in that video, not every soldier, in fact, the LARGE majority of soldiers may not want to be there, but they know that someone has to do the job. And as that one soldier said, "it really isnt that bad".

And that video of those two guys getting beat up is serious, they aslo try to break their bones, but they couldnt since their only big with their guns.

Not every soldier beats Palestinians just how every Palestinian isn't a terrorist.

Very True, there are Israeli soldiers who get along with the Palestinians and even give them stuff, there are about 594 Israeli Soldiers who refuse to participate with the occupation.

A few thoughts after reviewing all this...

• TW, the first video sucks. It's like Merkava's "fake funeral" video - it doesn't convince me of anything. The soldiers beating those guys, that was troubling. Even if they were resisting, which didn't seem to be the case, there's no excuse for that kind of brutality.
  
• The rap is probably the best of them all - the music's not bad, the lyrics make a very clear and simple statement, and the video backs them up very well.
  
• Merkava, you're always complaining about TW's "biased sources" and yet you keep using equally biased sources to try to counter his... And this "gold mine" you shared with us was a pretty dismal collection of failed attemots to make the Palestinians look evil. Sorry, while I won't go so far as to call them all lies, they certainly didn't change my opinion at all, at least not in Israel's favor.
  
• Can't we all just get along?!!

I think we were both getting along fine until you showed up.

Please, show me where I called TW's source, http://www.sphrconcordia.org/ and http://www.jsalloum.org, Biased (even though it's just as, if not, worse than my source)

I think when it comes to videos, their sources are meaningless.

More videos:

http://www.mideasttruth.com/video.html

And more video's from the ZOA.

http://www.zoa.org/video.htm

Hypocracy at it's best. Calling me on using Biased soucres, where I have yet to call anyone else on it here.

And atleast when I do it else where, I take the time to rebutt the article. Atleast I dont just leave off with the whole "its biased wah wahh" Shit.

Heres a video, Israeli settlers doing their governments job
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/settlers.ram

Zionist Work
http://www.indymedia.org/local/webc...c-mmpd-medi.wmv

Israeli Air Strikes

http://www.brain.com.pk/~pbu/palestine001.mpeg

Israelis shoot at Ambulance, nothing new

http://www.brain.com.pk/~pbu/palestine006.mpeg

Luke in all fairness TW has started with the postings first. He plasters the sites with videos and pictures that only present one side of an argument. Merk just started replying to it. One is no more ridiculous as the other.

We can watch these two go at it for months and nothing will change their views. I think they're both hopeless, but TW shows anger in his post which tends to taint his position in my eyes. I don't see any balance in any of his posts and I know why. He's frustrated and very well should be. He's also raised by Palestinians which is another reason for it.

I want balance here so that's why I tend to lean on him a little more than I would normally lean. I would do no less to pro Israel supports and I have, that tends to overlook much of their own heinous acts.

Im here to show that Israel has been and are more terrorists than all the Palestinians, so why am i going to post things about Israel if you all can go to CNN and watch them?

You know, i dont understand you guys, these are the most terrorized people in the world and are still being terrorized, you guys are not aware of their suffering, you think its like, damm my son died, oh well lets go blow up a bus now, u guys will never ever suffer like these people did, you guys should be like, dam, these people are actually blowing them selves up, and killing innocent people as well, because of both governments, what would it feel like to have 10 Million of your brothers and sisters kicked out of their homes and live in crappy refugee camps, it should it hit u in ur head, dam, look at these people, they dont have sh*t, their leader is making it worse for them and the other country's leader is killing them, God dam, About 100,000 Palestinians died, wtf is that sh*t, sure theres terrorists in there, but Palestinian terrorism started in 1994, can you imagine what these people are going through? With their neighboors living the good life ( 85% of Israelis live well in Israel ), you cant just go, hey my ancestors lived here 2000 years ago, accept this plan or prepare to face the consequences, wtf is this? C'mon guys, please, talk to the Palestinians and try to understand them from their view and not from some web site.

TW opinions weren't formed from just websites. I did some studies on the problems in that country and it's not all Israel's fault. Someone said no one asked the Palestinians what they wanted. This is true and it appears to be a problem.

There were several mistakes made by Arabs and Palestinians in not accepting the deal the UN layed out. This has led to refugee camps and other crisis in Palestinian territories. Bad leadership has extended the hardship till present times.

There is much blame to be passed for Palestinian sufferings, some of which are valid. You have to ask though TW, why didn't Arafat accept the deal in 2000. This in my opinion leads me to believe that he didn't want peace. This is mostly why today there isn't a state called Palestine. Instead they feed the hatred that keeps them in bondage while blaming Israel for all of it.

I believe the world would have helped by now, but with all the donations from wealthy Arab states, including the millions Palestinians get from America each year, one has to ask where is the money going? Remember, the PA controls everything (except terror orgs) in that land so who is really the blame for much suffering? Pointing to Israel's thriving economy only sounds like old fashion jealousy.

What we're saying is simply this. It's not as black and white as you have learned it to be. There are many forces in Palestine that doesn't want to see peace take hold and will subvert it because they will not live side by side with Israel. What is it that they think they will accomplish their destruction? Neither people are going anywhere. Until the hate is stop being taught, until there is better treatment of Palestinians by both Israel and their own leaders, then violence and carnage will continue to be the order of the day.

Ok true, but this is not about Israel's economy is not why some of the Palestinians hate Israelis, i am aware that Arafat is responsible for the position and the deaths of the Palestinians just like Sharon is responsible for the deaths of the Israelis, two stupid leaders who only think for themselves.
If your going to talk about that Arafat didnt accept the plan in 2000 then im going to come out with the 69 UN Resolutions that Israel hasnt accepeted, Sharon is worse than Arafat, he is a murderer himself, and he is doing nothing to help stop this cycle of violence
So like i said, you just cant go into a country and kick out 10 million of its owners. This will never happen with a peaceful effect, until the Palestinians get what they deserv and Israel stops to kill them, those stupid Palestinian terrorists groups will **** off, and the killings of the Israelis will stop. Its not simple with two retards running it, Sharon and Arafat but it can happen.

Are you talking about the plan at Camp David which Arafat rejected? What a joke. In fact, I think I'm going to make a separate thread on that.

Besides the point, TWBR you are right when you say Sharon and Arafat are the ones to blame, however Sharon is no worse than Arafat. Do you really think that if Arafat had as much power as Sharon he would not abuse it just as bad as Sharon does?

Make a thread about it, i was also interested in it. Something fishy was happening in that plan.

Okay, expect it soon.

Antizion if Arafat had as much power as Sharon has, Israel would have been annihilated long ago. Secondly, I'd like to see what you have to say about the Camp David offer. If that offer was excepted do you believe Palestine would be in the condition it is today? But let me say this because I think it needs to be said.

I do not agree with all of Israel's tactics. They have in the past sought to grab the entire region. I believe the UN mandate in 47 should have been abided by and rejecting this has proved to be the wrong course of action by Arabs and Palestinians.

Let's talk about land grabbing and Palestine. The area now in dispute, plus Jordan's entire country was Palestine back in history. The British gave Jordan everything east of the Jordan river, and Israel everything west of it. This was done in 1923, but Arabs and Palestinians only objected to Israel's portion, even though Jordan got 3/4 of the land. They revolted then and they were unsuccesful.

Another fact is Jordan annexed the West Bank in 48 under military force. They had this area up until 67. During their occupation of this area there was no outcry from Palestinians then about the land, only the part that Israel was possessing.

So can you see why I have a little trouble with all this about land grabbing. Yes Israel has done this, but when it comes to Arabs doing the same thing, they say and do nothing.

I'm interested in what you have to say about this as well antizion.

Im aware of that, and i never said that any of both sides was an angel.