Attention, everybody.

Israel & Palestine Forum

In this thread, you will clearly state if you are FOR or AGAINST the existence of the state of Israel.



When I say this, I mean are you for, or against the dismantling of the Zionist state?


Simple "for" or "against" replies will do. Please, leave the Bullshiit out of this thread - thank you.

Im not against Israel's exsistence.

TWBR, don't lie. Of course you're against it, that's understandable, your parents are Palestinians.

Because I sure as hell am. I am not opposed to a Jewish state, I think Uganda was a great plan, but they should have waited until the so called "mashiach" before doing anything like that. Israel is wrong.

No your wrong, you can even ask Luke, he knows me best, and i take that as an insult, the majority of the Palestinians wouldnt mind living next to a Jewish State.

TWBR, don't mind anti-zionist, he's just a Jewish extremist. I believe that you, and the majority of the Palestinians want to live in peace next to a Jewish state.

I'm not saying that the majority of Palestinians don't want to live in peace next to Israel, i'm pointing out that whilst the Zionists got what they wanted, they also robbed the natives of their land.

And TWBR, it is evident from your posts that you are anti-israel. You constantly criticise Israel and its motives, always talking about how "Israel have been practicising terror since 1940."

Merkava, you think that if somebody is anti-zionist, then:

1) They're anti-semetic
2) They're brainwashed

Well I certainly can't be them, as I am Jewish and have been in contact with plenty of Zionists in my early life.

But you reckon that if a Jew is an anti-zionist, then:

1) They're extremist and ultra-orthadox Jews
2) They hate themselves

Well I can't be number 1 because I'm atheist, and I can't be number 2 because I don't hate Jews or the fact I am Jewish! I just hate Zionists that oppress Palestinians! BIG difference!

"Anti-Zionist, i condem the suicide bombings, but i hold Israel also responsible for them."

This was written by TWBR. A person who claims that he is "neutral" yet has Palestinian parents and regularly floods the message board with anti-Israel ****.

You blame Israel for suicide bombings. It is not Israel who provoke the Palestinians, but the other way round. You will notice that if there hasn't been a suicide bomb for a while, Israel do nothing. Then, and only then, if there is a bomb Israel retaliate - how can you blame them?

It's like saying that Israel did 9/11 because they are the reason that Bin Laden hates America.

Of course I'm aware of them - but this does NOT justify suicide bombings!

And it is not Israel's fault! It is the fault of the Palestinian suicide bombers! THEN, and only THEN, do Israel respond to the attacks.

However, it is the MANNER in which Israel respond that deeply troubles me. They go way over the top, killing plenty of innocent civilians in the process. Sometimes, they go as far as massacering them, e.g. The Jenin Massacre.

But let's get one thing straight: no matter how vicious the retaliations are by Israel, they ARE retaliations.

Yes, nothing justifys SUICIDE BOMBINGS, but you have to agree that Israel has been making the Palestinians turn to this type of harsh attacks, theres no doubt about it, Remember the latest Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem? The group that was behind it swore retaliation for the raid in Gaza which killed 15 Palestinians ( 9 were terrorists and 6 were civilians, but, Palestinians dont classify the terrorits as terrorists, they classify them as civilians ), and now that Air Strike which killed a top leader of one of those groups and killed his brother and a Palestinian boy, made the Islamic Jihad swear that one of the BLACKEST DAYS in Israels history will come.
Your acting like the Palestinian extrimists are doing these attacks for the fun of it, and their not, its all for retaliation, for watever Israel has done, pay back is coming, like it or not, thats their way.

Well thanks for making a post void with BS - clearly avoiding the question at hand.

And calling Suicide bombings a "Natural" response is ridiculous, and offensive. Of course, you'd probably object to call Israel's retaliation raids "Natural", even though they fit the description much better. In 'your' World Israel should show an infinite amount of restraint after having their Civilians murdered. In 'your' World, Israel is singled-out to its own high standards that no other country in the world has been listed to.

I hate sounds like a broken record, but you call for a Palestinian state.

The fact is, They could have had a Palestinian state three times. I think its become clear that the Palestinian leadership doesn't want a Palestinian state, they want everything. Jew Free.

Oh let me clarify. I agree on 90% of antizions post. All except the Jenin Massacre accusation. There was no massacre in my opinion but I think you all know this.

Just needed to clarify for those new comers that might read it.

Same here.

TWBR again you have buts in your replies.

What do you care? This isnt about how i write. Get serious now.


You know what this appears like TWBR? Good glad you asked. It appears like this.

Translation: Yeah I know suicide bombers are wrong for targeting civilians, but so what I still deem it legitimate. It's Israel's own fault anyway and they deserve it

That's how the translation comes across because you attach buts to every sentence when talking about suicide bombers and other terrorist actions out of that people. But nullifies everything before it TWBR. So look at what you're saying AFTER the but. This is the picture you're betraying.

First of all i never said its the best action or that the Israelis deserv it so get your head out of your ass and start listening, second you cant just go and get peoples comments and translate them into crap like you just did.
You think that the Israelis never have done anything to the Palestinians and that the Palestinians one day decided, Hey i hate Israelis, lets go kill them!, no, its not like that, Your making it seem that the Palestinians are the opressors when their the one being opressed.

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TWBR I think your posts speak for themselves. Clearly you will never lay any blame with anyone other than Israel. For that I feel sorry for you because it's the ones with your attitude that perpetuates the problem.

Your posts are like the hatred I see of others in your land. I don't believe you're capable of seeing anything clearly. With that, I think I will simply not respond to you as you appear to be degrading in sensible debate.

I wish you well TW. I hope one day there will be peace in your families homeland.

Feel sorry for me? No thanks, i dont want to be ignorant and stupid.