Israel Says It Will Dismantle Barrier at Palestinian Town

Israel & Palestine Forum

It's amazing, even when Israel tries to ease tensions between Both sides, they still get criticized by you.

I personally, Believe them that it has been the works for Months. If it would have truly Helped protect Israeli civilians, they would have left it up, regardless of what that irrelevant court thinks.

The ICJ is a foolish and naive concept, and it should come as no surprise that it is now putting itself at the service of Palestinian who are upset that Israel is building a fence that hinders their ability to simply walk a short distance to commit atrocities.

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You will most likely find all kinds of "lies" in this editorial by Noam Chomsky. Personally, I think he makes some very good points about the "security wall." And while Israel may indeed have been discussing dismantling this redundant piece of wall, don't you find it in the least curious that they choose to announce it immediately before the hearings at the Hague begin?

Let's be realistic here, politics are part of the game and Israel plays them as well as any other country. I believe it's possible that this could have been discussed previously, but the timing is questionable that they would choose to do it now.

I believe in the wall. Even if that wall dips into Palestinian land, it's not a irreversable and could be dismantled upon succesful negotiations. I think it's more hoopla over Israel's actions which are always considered suspect by Paletinians and their supporters. If they cared this much about the peace process, I believe that wall wouldn't have had to be built in the first place.

This wall is really a debatable topic. I suppose that if I were to live in Israel with the will to live as I do in Europe I would turn upset about atrocious attempts in buses and restaurants and the continuous risk of being blown up anytime. So I understand the people's comments in the streets of Israel. My bro went there two years ago for a free round trip and at a moment he heard the sound of bullets above his car and nearby security fence - shootings coming from a close palestinian area. He arrived at the next israeli checkpoint where the soldiers were almost laughing at this strange experience - that's their daily life there.
Anyway, I think that there are political decisions and manoeuvers planned by the governants there - both israelian and palestinian - which make that ordinary people are the hostages of this situation wherever they live - terrorists excepted.
That's a crazy world.

Yes this is true. What kind of world that is can only imagined by one like myself. Some seem to subscribe to murder as a reasonable "defense" of their position. While I agree to resistance of any oppressive authority, simply breaking down the doors of an innocent family and shooting them to death in their beds, children included is barbaric and simply wrong.

How can you yell to the world about alledged atrocities committed against you and you do things of this nature? It's sick, just as sick minded as suicide bombers are and is in no wise helping their cause nor wise in its perpetrations. This is exactly what has made me apprehensive in supporting the Palestinians because many of them seem to condone such actions as "legitimate resistance".
I even seen where this terrorist took this woman into the street and publicly shot her because he heard she collaborated with Israelis.

This is the type of barbaric mentalities I speak of when I say they're a hinderence to their own life improvements and the peace processes. It's the type of mentality that has kept them hostage and in bondage in their own cities by their own people. Using them as shields to prove a point to the world that their enemy is inhumane, all while committing the above atrocities themselves.

I guess we will all find out in a few months if the Israellis are as good as thier word, after all nobody can make them remove the wall the world court can call it illegal and condemm it (which they should and probably will) but they cannnot pass any laws demanding the wall to be brought down, so if the Israellis do it it will be because they choose to nt because they were made to.

Why do you want that wall down lodge?

the wall cust people off from thier agricultural land this is land that people need to survive.

also the wall does not run along the green line that separates Israel from the West bank but thorugh the West Bank itself which is regarded as Paesltinian land.

I am not the only person that thinks the wall is wrong so far the UN,EU, Jordan, Indonesia,Maylasia, Cuba, Bangladesh, Saudi arabia and horror of horrors the USA.

Israel has the right to defend itself and that would include not letting Palestinians and anybody else who may a terrorist enetring Israel however they do not ahve the right to unlawfully estroy and confiscate palestinian property and hinder the movement of Palestininas inside Palestinina territory.

A lot of people are comapring it to the Berlin wall but it will at least twice as high and theree times longer.

The only simularity of the Berlin wall and that wall is the word wall. We all know why the Berlin wall was built. To keep those on the inside in. This wall is to keep those on the outside out.

The wall does cut through land that was designated Palestinian territory. This is why the UN and other's condemn the wall. I personally believe that they should pull that wall back to original borders set by the UN.

Would you agree with the wall if it ran along the green line instead of into Palestinian terrories?

I would not say that building the wall is the answer because it will taech kids two very wrong lessons 1 that the people on the other side of the wall are bad people and 2 that the answer to a problem is to block it out. But if the Israellis build it on thier side of the green line on thier land then they can do waht ever they want.

So I guess the fence that blocks mexicans out of the United states is also bad?

What about the one between Lebanon and Israel?

Well if the people on one side are suicide bombers, and the people on the other are oppressionists, then that wall would make no difference in teaching them the lesson you've just mentions lodge.

Remember the reason the wall is going up in the first place isn't because of a lack of understanding. I believe that Palestine would disagree with the wall no matter what because it would make it harder to strike at Israel. They will resort to mortar attacks to compensate for their lack of accessibility into Israel.

Peace that is the problem in what you have written in the first line you are making out that all Palestinians are suicide bombers and supporters of terror we all know that simply is not true, unfortunately a lot of kid from Israel will end up believing a ridiculous idea like that meanwhile Palestinain kids are going to bleive they are opressors on the other side of the wall and maybe they would have a point maybe they do not I menaiut is mnore land that they are losing and they do not have a say in it do they?
Whole point is that this wall should be on the green line and not over it, that is my biggest problem with it.

Merkava Admittly I am not up to speed on the US Mexico wall and I whill have to find out a bit more about it but let me ask you who built the wall and where odes it lie Deep into Mexican territory or US territory or is it on or near the US mexico border? does this wall have movemet sensors, sniper points etc ?

If I reflected such, that wasn't my intention lodge. I believe that all Israelis aren't oppressors either, but I don't think that suicide bombers and missiles discreminate along these lines does it?

My point was simply that wall or no wall, Palestinians and Israelis and their children will think the worse of each other regardless. I do agree that the wall should go along their borders though. I just believe that Israel believes that since so many wars were initiated to take their territory, it's the spoils of war.

If I can make a comment though on your remark to Merk. The borders of America extended into Mexico almost two centuries ago. Ever heard of New Mexico? How about some cities in Cali like Los Angeles, & San Diego. And how about Texas and San Antonio.

The walls of Israel needs sensors and snipers, let's be for real here. There have already been numerous people shot trying to cross the restricted zones as is. The US doesn't need these tools because Mexicans aren't coming across the borders in droves blowing up buses & malls.

In my humbled opinion I see much wrong with Israel from time to time, but even when they seek to defend themselves, they seem to get critiqued. At least that wall and sensors won't kill them if they don't try and cross it. This is a far cry from shooting missiles into busy streets.

I cant belive how people can call some of Israel's attacks on the Palestinian people, as self defence attack, and the Palestinians as the attackers.
Both are attacking the other side's civilians, so i dont know how you can back some of Israels actions, including the ones that causes suicide bombings to happen. I dont back up the suicide bombings making me aware of the terror of both sides, but it seems like you think that Israel never did terror ever in its exsistence.

Who the **** said that i show sympathy for the suicide bombers? Your going to keep on saying that even though i keep on denying it, making you stupid.
and My links blame Israel? i use links from Al'Jazeera ( arab view ), Haaretz ( Israeli view) and BBC ( euro view ), wat else you want me to use? Everything that i post is biased, i even use an Israeli link and its biased.

Israel has been doing terror since 1940!, and it never stops, yea they take out some terrorists, but they are still assaulting the Palestinian civilians which has been causing most of the suicide bombings, keep on denying that Israel has some terrorism in it right now, youll never go anywhere.

TWBR you don't blame Palestinian terrorist from many of the deaths incurred on the Palestinian side?

What if you had a friend that was staying at your home. He set up a crime factory in your bedroom. (drugs, buglary, murders). You knew this was the case and you didn't do anything for years to remove him. Then the day comes when the cops raid your house. Your friend picks up a gun and fires at them as they're coming into your house. In the gun battle that ensued, your daughter and son were killed. Are you going to totally blame the police for the deaths of your children?

Wasn't any of it your fault for having him stay there in the first place? Wasn't any of it his fault for setting up a crime base in your home, knowing women and children were there?

I dont blame them for most of the deaths, but yes they are in fault for some of the deaths and Hamas is in fault for the position that the Palestinians are in right now.
Oh and not every home that is raided has explosives, so Israel has to get better intelligence, if you dont belive me, ill show you this video, of how some Israeli soldiers searched a house, killing the wife and finding nothing, and choosing to destroy the house, this tends to happen a lot.

Thanks for being understandable , let them search houses, but do it in a proper way.

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