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Posted by: Merkava

Debkafile:
Jerusalem hospitals warned toxic organic phosphorus chemical found in fragments of suicider's bomb that blew up 14 bus, killing at least 7 and injuring 62 opposite Bell Park in central Jerusalem Sunday. Chemical sample sent to hospitals treating casualties. Cars on main road also blown away.

Bus blown up on Har Choma-Beit Hakerem route at rush hour of week’s first working-school day. Explosion 20 meters from gas station near Inbal Hotel where American Jewish leaders staying for conference. Last suicide blast on Jerusalem bus two weeks ago claimed 12 lives. Israeli government: Defense barrier in Jerusalem if completed would have prevented Sunday’s suicide attack

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast...last/index.html

CNN: "Sunday's blast comes as Israel begins tearing down a five-mile section of its controversial security barrier that currently cuts into the West Bank, according to the Defense Ministry."

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Posted by: scz

Yeah, i just heard about it on the radio a few minutes ago.

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Posted by: TWBR

Sad, but lets see what caused it happen,


BBC
Palestinian militants had been threatening to avenge an Israeli raid in the Gaza Strip two weeks ago which left 15 Palestinians dead.

Al'Jazeera
"The operation came as retaliation to Shijiyah and Rafah massacres in which 15 Palestinians were killed," said the statement.

Haaretz Daily ( Israel )
The statement also claimed the attack was in retaliation for the Israel Defense Forces' killing of 15 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip on February 11.

CNN
The group said the attack was in response to a February 11 Israeli military incursion into Gaza, in which 12 Palestinians were killed in gunbattles. The Israeli Army said the Palestinians were all armed, and that its forces were fighting the terrorist infrastructure. Palestinians say many of the killed were civilians.

Israel has to stop this, in order to stop the Suicide Bombings, its a vicious cycle, and Israel has the power to stop it, but they dont want to.

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Posted by: TWBR

You see how CNN is biased, all 3 news web sites, say that it was in retaliation to the death of 15 palestinians, but CNN in order to get support for Israel and hatred on the Palestinians, they come out with some bullsh*t.

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Posted by: Merkava

The CNN article seemed to go into the most detail.

Saying Israel causes the terrorism is a bit of an assumption. Any incursions done in the WB/Gaza is targetted stricly against Militants who have or are planning to murder Israeli civilians.

And to say that the Occupation causes the Terrorists to attacks, this is also false. Terrorism has existed prior to the Occupation.

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Posted by: TWBR

oh god, when will people learn? Its 3 articles vs 1 that is ran by the Jews, who are you going to believe, god damm, even Hareetz daily an Israeli news channel said that it was in retaliation to the killings of 15 Palestinians, where they armed? Who knows? Im going to see if they have something about it.

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Posted by: oneofpeace

TWBR you're incredible. I find you are totally incapable of any unbiased view point here. You continue to condone this action by the Palestinians. No matter what happens it will always be Israels fault with you.

If Israel go in after this and killed some armed Palestinians, you will simply believe that Israel went into Palestine areas and shot innocent people dead on the street.

There is simply no objectivity on your behalf. This act is dispicable and your refusal to say so shows exactly what you stand for. Now some innocent Palestinian child will die when Israel take out a leader roaming through refugee camps and marketplaces and you will blame Israel for that as well.

You're hopeless.

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Posted by: TWBR

So your saying that even though Israel attacks civilians, Israel doesnt deserv any retaliation? And those 15 dead werent armed palestinians, they were civilians, Israeli troops stormed into Gaza with tanks and started to open fire on the civilians , kill 15 and wound 50, how can you not expect any retaliation, if Israel never did this, this suicide bombing would never had happened.

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Posted by: TWBR

For you to agree with CNN that those 15 palestinians killed in the Gaza raid were armed , then why would u not agree wit me saying that those 7 Israelis in the bus who died were Israeli Troops? Ofcorse their not, but Its like this, for every attack that happens to the Palestinians, CNN classifies them as armed Palestinian terrorists, if their going to say that then those killed in suicide attacks would be classified as Israeli terrorists.

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Posted by: TWBR

Im not saying its right to go on a bus and go blow your self up and take a number of innocent civilians with you, its wrong, it shouldnt happen, but you have to blame the action that caused it to happen and you have to blame those who did it , because if its going to be like this,
Israel does one of its daily raids, kills 12 Palestinians, One of the Palestinian groups will avenge that attack with a suicide bombing, people will see it and feel hatred for the Palestinians while 12 dead Palestinians are left unheard off, like their nothing, they dont count, who cares if they die, Israeli lives are more important. No! This is not right, there has to be some justice for the Palestinians too!
So you have to blame Israel for killing those 15 Palestinian civilians which caused this suicide bombing to happen.

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Posted by: oneofpeace

Will you listen to yourself TWBR. First off, I have a question. Why is Israel just invading Palestinian civilian areas and shooting down innocent civilians? This makes absolutely no sense.

No one has said that Palestinian lives are less valued than Israeli lives. But come on here TWBR, if you can get past your hatred. Why is Israel deciding one day to go into a refugee camp or just invade a city and shoot down civilians then leave?

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Posted by: Luke90

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TWBR said this in post #9 :
For you to agree with CNN that those 15 palestinians killed in the Gaza raid were armed , then why would u not agree wit me saying that those 7 Israelis in the bus who died were Israeli Troops? Ofcorse their not, but Its like this, for every attack that happens to the Palestinians, CNN classifies them as armed Palestinian terrorists, if their going to say that then those killed in suicide attacks would be classified as Israeli terrorists.

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OK, TW, put on your logic hat. It's pretty obvious that innocent Palestinians are getting killed in these Israeli raids, and it's quite likely the Western media tends to downplay this angle. But I haven't heard many Palestinian claims that these attacks are aimed at military targets, as Israel insists when explaining their murders. Let's face it, the Palestinian attacks, perhaps because the military targets are so difficult to reach, have largely been against civillian targets. I think I understand your main point - if we're going to blindly accept that Palestinian deaths are largely terrorists, when rational people realize that at times the Israeli soldiers may succumb to emotion...

http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2004-02-17T230921Z_01_GAZ07DR_RTRIDSP_2_MIDEAST.jpg

...then why should we assume that all the Israeli deaths are civillian? Well, because when an organization claims responsibility for an attack, they don't claim that they were attacking soldiers.

You know I respect your position, although I'm far more moderate. But just as each Palestinian attack on innocent Israelis makes much of the world less sympathetic to their cause, when you make wild expostulations like these, many of the readers of this forum will dismiss you as irrational.

This is an emotional topic, particularly for some, but I suggest that you try to restrain the emotion and take a more reasoned, logical approach; I think you'll find that fewer of the replies will be knee-jerk flames.
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Posted by: Merkava

What is that man's left hand doing on that soldiers gun strap?

Oh well, its probably nothing.

That soldier probably just walked up to those three guys, and started swinging. Without any incursion at all.

Where's the part where he murders them all, decapitates them, and then uses their blood to cook matzos?

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Posted by: Luke90

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Merkava said this in post #13 :
What is that man's left hand doing on that soldiers gun strap?

Oh well, its probably nothing.

Probably not. Or perhaps he's trying to push the soldier away. I'm fairly certain that if, as you appear to sarcastically imply, the kid was trying to get the gun, he would have been after the gun rather than the strap.
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That soldier probably just walked up to those three guys, and started swinging. Without any incursion at all.

I wasn't there, I don't know. Perhaps you're right! My guess had been that he wouldn't let them pass the checkpoint, they said something about his mother, and he lost his cool.
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Where's the part where he murders them all, decapitates them, and then uses their blood to cook matzos?

No, his buddies detained them for a while, and then let them go. It seems improbable that, if they had done anything very serious, were carrying explosives, or had attacked this soldier, they would have been detained for just a few hours.

Thanks, as always, for your perceptive and unbiased evaluation of things. When I get my free trip to Israel, I'll have to invite you along.
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Posted by: Merkava

Apparently, you've never had a gun with a strap on yourself.

Now, lets see the original caption for this picture, shall we?

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Posted by: Luke90

Those photos all appear to have rolled off the site. You can check yourself, Reuters News Photos, but it doesn't appear to be there any longer.

The caption essentially said that the kids were near a checkpoint, this altercation ensued, they were detained for a few hours and released. It did not mention anything about what might have precipitated the struggle.

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