Its obvious and every one knows now that something wrong happened in Rumsfield/Franks plans , i will mention few details why things went wrong with usa from an arabian logical/historical/religious point of u :
Iraq may win because :
1) Noone here belived that it will be a quick war bec NOWAY that Iraqies will prefer americans than Saddam , meaning no matter IF they hate Saddam , they wil NOT help americans .
2)most of Iraqies fear is the fear of losing not the fear of death , bec 12 years of sanctions made them belive that death isnt the worst thing an iraqi may face , so they will fight till the end .
3)so far 75% of Iraqi forces are safe and there plan is to drag american troops into citys wars where most of the american technology will not work encluding there jet fighters
4)so far 4500 ( martyrs ) had crossed the boarders to Iraq , syrians .. palestinians , lebanese ..etc , and the israilie/paletinian war proved that tecnology DONT prevent those human bombs from hitting there targets .
5)I read a month ago that american store of laser guided and "smart" missiles is NOT endless ! , so USA store .. nor american public opinion , nor international opinion would stand a long term war . and Iraqi plan is to make it last long and so far they succeeded in that .
now for some historical reasons :
1) during the last 6000 years Iraq faced dozens of invasion , just 1 invasion worked ..it was about 650 years ago , it worked bec the invadors killed two milion Iraqies , what i wanted to say that iraqies never welcomed there invadors .
2)Bagdad was the capital that ruled most of the known world for few hundred years , meaning .. that it means alot to all arabs and not just iraqies , so arab nations would never be happy to see an invador step over its soil , so the war will expand .
religious reasons :
1) Jewish bible , the Tourah ... i already asked u to do it and am repeating it , PLEASE ask a religious honest jew about whats mentioned in the bible about this war ( i know whats mentioned but u will not belive me bec am a Muslim ) by the way .. muslims do belive in both christians and jewish bibles though we belive that parts were written by humans
2) what is making some Muslims and Iraqies belive that we may win this war is bec the details of this and the previous gulf war were mentioned by our prohet , Mohammad
also we KNEW that it will take place on 20 of march , and we know how it will end , that why we look so sure !!!
this is it for now
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** my english is not good so pls forgive me
**I wouldnt mind replys like RAMBO style bec that will mean that people such as RAMBO is already defeated even the war isnt finished yet.
** logical replyes would always be welcomed
Even when we take over Iraq, we've already lost the war, we'll be stuck in an Israeli like purgatory, occupying it under suicide bomber occupation forever. We wanted to be like the Israelis, now will join them in perpetual hell! All we had to do was ram a Palestinain state down Israel's throat, with no regard for their feelings on the matter and we could have avoided Bush's living hell. Hell for the sake of Israel!
IF there's a chance for iraq to win this war. It will only be the same way the somalians kicked america's ***. Pull the american soldiers out of the copter and drag their bodies in the streets, and let the whole world watch. This hurts their feelings and they'd ask to bring the soldiers back. veitnam... same scenario
israel has nothing to do with this except iraq hates them and wants to eliminate them and second the usa and her allies WILL NOT LOOSE because one they have god behind them because it is a just and good cause and 2 not as many iraqiis like the king they are under now but are to afraid to say something might they be shot like that little girl or women or other hundreds of innicent people. Sure a few will but once it starts and they know there safe things will change especially when saddam gasses everyone inside of iraq and you and i know he will. To much eveidence comeing up now. wake up all....but we wont loose and hopefuuly its in remove saddam then get out. No one knows now till time its all speculation only
For all those who think Israel is the problem and the cause of the war:
It's not!
Israel is just the main target of the Iraqi people and the rest of the Arabs! It's a victim and people are dying there 2!
They're "victims" because they're MAJOR A-HOLES and bring it upon themselves! Any other country acts like they do, the U.S. wants to attack them and charge their leader with war crimes...but for some strange reason, there's a double standard when Israel is involved? And that's why they hate us. It's not any IDIOTIC reason like "they hate us because we love freedom", like that MORON in the White House likes to say...
So you think it's Americas fault that Israel extists?
You really are an idiot.
Muslims will always hate America. We will deal with it as it happens.
The last I heard, Israel isn't trying to exterminate Americans.
Only Muslims want that.
Palastine is a Muslim nightmare and will one day wake up.
There is a a lot of room in this world for everyone to live and only Palastine and Israel can solve their problems.
Iraq is incapable of getting rid of Saddam.
You're not helping with promoting hatred for the U.S.
One thing is becoming clearer and clearer to me. Most of the world is completely incapable of making difficult value/moral judgements.
It seems that the arab/muslim world, and the other countries opposing the coalition think that hundreds of thousands of dead arabs and muslims that Saddam has killed are worthless. And that the arabs and muslims currently living who will be killed by Saddam are worthless. You spoil their graves and spit on their memories by failing to stand up to this tyrant.
No one knows how this war will end. Maybe US victory, maybe preordained armageddon (is that what you were referring to?). But whoever is left, once they remove the religious, economic, political, and nationalistic rhetoric that is being used to manipulate people, will come to the conclusion that Saddam was a brutal killer and that the biggest sin was to not stand up to him.
thank u for ur replys , i realy liked reading them
CAPS#1 : am palestinian , i read israilie newspapers , i know israilies , i studied there bible , i know how they think , its there war , its defentlythere war .. they are catching there breathes now watching every step in the war , if Iraq got defeated it will be the most good thing that happens to israel since 1948 . for many reasons , its Israel who pushed usa towards this war
NOTHINGSACRED : u r absalutly right , but its just ur nickname wch is is not right
ONEOFTHEBADGUYS : BinLaden send a 53 minutes audio advice to iraqies on 15 of march , he suggested to Iraqies how should they repeat the somalian experiment , he adviced Iraqies that all there heavy militery equipments are usless since its easy targets that will be bombed from the air , he asked iraqies to drag americans into citys . and so far iraqies did what he suggested them to do .
i see your still miss-informed and have no clue nothingsacred. You still dont have a clue and if you donl like it here ill personally bye you a ticket to iraq so you can tell sadam and his people what you think. You are a heartless, gutless indaviduel that doesnt have a clue. I have two boys over there fighting ofr you and rest of the world so you Can voice your twisted and unreal opions and your freedom of speech. To bad people like you are out there causeing nothing but discontent and greif. Isareil has nothing to do with this except there babys going to school with gas masks. WOW what a man to back huh....sure wish it was you and your family walking around with gas amsks and hopeing and praying saddam doesnt grab your wife and shoot her for her beleifs or your kid and kill her a child because of what her beleifs are and bye god it was a child you that ******* stupid. It was just a child a innocent little girl who did nothing and you think he wouldnt do worse if he had a chance. He would and he will than we will see all of your mouths drop and say( oh my god i really didnt think he would do it) as your child is melting from the chemicle/bio weapons or nuclear dirty bombs. Than your opions will change and there is a very real threat of these weapons used on our soulders (my boys) and you sit there with your anti-american/anti-war opions and your bull****. But my boys and i dont care for the opions of you anti-war pansies and there still willing to die so you can exspress your twisted facts and opions. Thats what makes america what she is FREEDOM ,right of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to exspress yourself and not worry about being shot. Even though your anti war crap is just that remember there are alot of people dieing and have died so you to can express yourself. and have your freedom
MTLIVEINGTREE : YES , we dont like israilies , all the 1200 bilion muslims dont like israilies , this isnt a secret , ur country like israilies .. this isnt a secret too , u say allies fight for a cause , i wonder who has a better cause : an iraqie who is seeing strangers comming from oversease that are bombing his country with thousands of missiles everyday or the cause if an america whos gf is waiting him and cant wait to get back home to finish his studies !!
SABLE : Nuke is absalutly a thin\g that may happen , eveidence of that is mentioned in jewish bible when it mentioned a man that lived in eastern babel ( babel=bagdad) pointed at western babel and said : there WAS a city here , also some evidences are mentioned in islamic sayings .
SINDY : am palestinan and i say YES , israel is a targetfor all of us and all of arabs , israel being a victim ? well ..i have doubts about that
USA1 : would u pls mention me a singel case were any american was attacked by an arab or m,uslim before 1990 ? and out of battle fields ? YES 90% of us hate america NOW , we hate bec we have reasons , not just us , ever visited Brazil ? china ? u will see photos of BinLaden everywear on people T Shirts ! , why we dont hate Italy ? France ? Germany ? Canada ? ask ur self pls : why we are hated that much !!!!!!
CHARLES : thank u for ur reply
just a simple intro aboout Muslim,s belifs : u must heard of Mecca ( most holy place for us ) , did u know that the singel muslim life is more precious for usthat Mecca ?
BUT ... its either a life that we chose OR a death that we chose !
majority in the arab world hate Saddam more than u think , but if we had to chose between Sddam and Bush , its Saddam that will we chose , i garantee to u that Saddam was and will be a target for groups like AlQaeda ? AlQaeda is with him now YES but if he won this war there will be a clash between islamic exctremests and Saddam
NO , its still not the time of armgeddon . But ur county would hurt , hurt bad in both at the war and also would got hurt at home within a month ! ( we also would get hurt bad too )
You clowns are lost in your delusional theories. Every time there is a war there you nitwits emerge like worms from the earth soil at night, and you always prove yourselves to be high on drugs.
Bagdhad will fall, relatively quick, and from the inside out.
CHARLES : thank u for ur reply
just a simple intro aboout Muslim,s belifs : u must heard of Mecca ( most holy place for us ) , did u know that the singel muslim life is more precious for usthat Mecca ?
Here is where your argument falls apart. You are not only happy to see hundreds of thousands of muslims die at the hands of Saddam, but you would support him and spit on the poor graves of the dead muslims to fight Bush!?! You say one muslim is more important than Mecca itself? That is a lie! You have not the courage to destroy the beast yourself, so you would make an outsider do it. Why didn't you get rid of Saddam a long time ago? You do not care about muslims! Think about it! Bush will do more for the prosperity of Iraqi's over the next ten years, and into the future, then all your arab leaders combined. The problem is deep inside you feel a shame. To cover the shame you feel hate.
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BUT ... its either a life that we chose OR a death that we chose !
So noble. We have the same beliefs. Different from you though we will fight and try to destroy a monster like Saddam.
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majority in the arab world hate Saddam more than u think , but if we had to chose between Sddam and Bush , its Saddam that will we chose ,
No one is asking you to choose between Saddam and Bush. Bush will not take over and rule Iraq and kill muslims by the hundreds of thousands. We will remove the threat and leave.
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i garantee to u that Saddam was and will be a target for groups like AlQaeda ? AlQaeda is with him now YES but if he won this war there will be a clash between islamic exctremests and Saddam
He has been in power for almost 30 years. You have done nothing.
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NO , its still not the time of armgeddon . But ur county would hurt , hurt bad in both at the war and also would got hurt at home within a month ! ( we also would get hurt bad too )
Our country already hurts. It will probably get worse. Our people were attacked before this war started because people hate us. It doesn't mean we are afraid.
hey AQ7 i have nothing against any arab or muslums. I neither know much about you, your people and culture. But i have one question for you: Where in the bible does it say kill thousands of people in the name of god. God doesnt and never has ever taught hate, war and death. So why did ben laden, saddam say kill and they did all of these natrosities against both his people and the people of the world. Bombings all over world for allagh or god. You think these sucicide drivers and people will go to heaven. I dont think sooooooooo.....As far as usa after oil i never have heard nothing of usa takeing over any oil just trying to save YOUR AND YOUR NEIGHBORS ENVIREMENT. Again i have nothing personal against you and your people and beleifes but i do have a big beef at killing children for saying hi to someone. Show me in your religion or in gods eyes where that is right and while all this is going on and you are condoneing it, your saying its being done for god....hmmmmmmmmmmmm.........rightttttttt you hate the americans because that is the way you and others have been raised to hate americans. Thats so you and all the other people of the world in the same situation dont and cant voice your opion and live in better conditions,better medicle,better envirement and liveing conditions. Instead if your repressed like you are you have no say, live in gutters and poverty and have a dictater like saddam running your life and controlling every move you make and say. Then you dont have the guts or means to stand up to these tyrants. They get rich and you get poorer. Dont you think its time to have the right of speech, good food,good medicines, not have to worry about being shot for your beleifs and your releions. And even if you dont there are alot that do.
Suicide bombing aren't really helping your cause. They are just lashing out. I agree - There is a lot of injustice in the world. I see - You do not trust the USA.
Have you lost all hope? Is there even a twinkle somewhere in your soul that life could get better? What if the USA is somehow successful in Iraq (even against all the support given to Saddam)? What if we can improve the lives or ordinary Iraqi's? What if the US puts pressure on Isreal and Arab countries to settle differences and create a viable Palestinian state? What if there were peace in the middle east? Would these hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded have been worth it?
Palestinians are ready to kill and die for hatred and war. Are you willing to make sacrifices for peace? Isn't that a better option since hatred doesn't accomplish anything anyway? What if we became friends and allies?
This whole Iraq conflict, in the context of the middle east, is more of a tactical engagement on the road to peace. Of course if you do not want to walk on that road and prefer to kill, then the killing will continue.
Do keep in mind that the USA does not hate the arab/muslim world - but the arab/muslim world has hatred for the USA. If your wacko brainwashed kids (poor kids) start coming over here to deliberately attack and kill civilians, it will certainly not help your cause.
Bush administration has gone out on a limb and taken a bold risk. We are a democracy and he will be held accountable. I don't think he is wrong to try. It is cynical and hopeless not to try. We will see how he proceeds with the Palestinian issue but you should give him a chance.
still brainwashed Charels ..... and I still answer
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You do not trust the USA
you have a history which gives args to not trust USA ......... and even to make the case against Iraq .....
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even against all the support given to Saddam
still brainwashed ......
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What if we can improve the lives or ordinary Iraqi's? What if the US puts pressure on Isreal and Arab countries to settle differences and create a viable Palestinian state? What if there were peace in the middle east? Would these hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded have been worth it?
you believe in that ?
Pressure on Israel ? did you check where comes from those around Bush ?
Palestinian state ? as BUSH father promised in 1991, and ?
Peace in the Middle East ? which country will be the next ? Jordania, Syria, Iran ? you should ask Rumsfeld ...
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hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded have been worth it?
ask the family after the military war ended and the next kamikase ....
then the killing will continue: the other is the faulty one, as usual. I think they have for som, good reasons, for others bad reasons, but this war will increase the amount of the ones with bad reasons ....
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If your wacko brainwashed kids (poor kids) start coming over here to deliberately attack and kill civilians, it will certainly not help your cause.
U.S./U.K. had to think a little bit more before choosing war ....
and about the brainswashed kids I think you are well served in U.S. ....
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We are a democracy and he will be held accountable
by who ? remember that U.S. gov refused to sign the terms of International Criminal Court regarding U.S. citizens.
The Bush administration has asked for a blanket exemption, fearing Americans would face cavalier, politically motivated trials stemming from peacekeeping or other military operations in areas of war or crisis.
Originally posted by nowar still brainwashed Charels ..... and I still answer
remember that U.S. gov refused to sign the terms of International Criminal Court regarding U.S. citizens.
Sure. I'll bet Libya will be in charge of the Human Rights commission and Iraq the disarmament commission. That makes sense. Let's let those two - or others like them, decide what is right and wrong.
Originally posted by Aq7 Saddam Slayer :
know ? worms might be a deadly weapon , it may have a way into a tummy and hurt what seams to be a BIG HEALTHY BODY so bad
Bagdad will fall yes but just if u through a nuke over it !
Mate please stop talking. You really made some of the war-supporters look like fools.
Please stop talking because you are hurting their feelings. They dont have anything to reply to what you are saying.
Please stop talking before they understand why the war is a wrong thing to do.
Please stop talking, because mayby the dont deserve to learn the truth.
Originally posted by SaddamSlayer You clowns are lost in your delusional theories. Every time there is a war there you nitwits emerge like worms from the earth soil at night, and you always prove yourselves to be high on drugs.
Bagdhad will fall, relatively quick, and from the inside out.
Yes, USA will win the war, but they have already lost the peace.
Sure. I'll bet Libya will be in charge of the Human Rights commission and Iraq the disarmament commission. That makes sense. Let's let those two - or others like them, decide what is right and wrong.
No thanks.
Complain all you want.
But UK,US,FRANCE & RUSSIA havent done a better job the past years in disarming dictators. They sold everything to everybody. Including WMD. The same thing for Human Rights. All of these goverments (NOT THE CITIZENS) allowed and established dictatorships all over the world. Also themselves breached the UN Human Rights Charter many times.
Some examples : Chechenya, Iraq, Greece, Checkoslovakia, Algeria, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Chile and many many other countries.
I see there are still saddam lovers out there blowing smoke out there as*. You may not want peace and a stablizes econimy,and an end to all the tortureing,murdering and beatings. But you all only see one side because you are narrow minded. Not only are we trying to liberate you from this tyrant but trying to give you a chance. but some of you are to stupid to see this. Now your sacred moscs are being used for a shelter.Knowing good and well the usa wont fire on or destroy your most sacred buildings and places. But we are killers and have no respect for you or your country. Dont see your so called goverment doing anything but the us IS TRYING to save your most precious and religeous places while saddam is provokeing and useing theses places. Not the usa but the iraqi troops hmmmmmmmmmm.........who is really in the wrong ,not the usa ....lets se hmm.......must be saddam trying to destroy your heritages not the usa. You are all so mixed up and full of shi* and dont have the guts or means to liberate yourself so your getting some help and hopefully will taste freedom soon and have an end to these natrositities being done to the people of iraq. Few of you are against the war but there is a bunch of iraqiis that do and do want this freedom and out from underneith saddams iron fist. You will get it soon iraq.Be patience and have faith. the end is enevitable you will be free soon. God bless amerca and her allies for sucess in there mission and god bless islam and all of the middle east. and her children, you will soon be free and your lifes will be better soon.
I think it is laughable that so many want-to-be experts think that the US is a Zionist state. I invite you all to come to this country and look for yourself.......... and if you live here, get off your computer and look out your window.
Its obvious and every one knows now that something wrong happened in Rumsfield/Franks plans
Not it's not obvious. It never was. Only to the anti-coalition whine bags like yourself that felt the need to pollute the earths atmosphere with your stale rhetoric.
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i will mention few details why things went wrong with usa from an arabian logical/historical/religious point of u
Please. Take my advice... and spare yourself the humiliation.
Vepsu/FIN said this in post #29 :
Mar 2003
Wanna bet about that ? As long as the US army belongs the Iraq, there will be the constant threat of suicide boms and gerilla war against US forces.
the other is the faulty one, as usual. I think they have for som, good reasons, for others bad reasons, but this war will increase the amount of the ones with bad reasons ....
You really made some of the war-supporters look like fools.