Proof On Jenin Massacre

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OK many Zionists are denying the Jenin Massacre and all i can say is LOL, now here is proof that of What happened in Jenin, and This web site is based on a Movie about the Jenin Massacre which Israel was the only Country in the world to ban it, and as for the U.S thank you for not banning it.

Here you go, tons of evidence as i can see.

www.JeninJenin.org

If link doesnt work, tell me fast

so far it works..thks!

it looks like merkava has gone quiet....

It looks like Merkava has other things to do.

Anyways, If it showed solid proof of Israeli massacres, it would be all over the internet for free. I honestly hope some idiot falls for it and pays $30 for 'evidence' which consists of interviews with 'eye witnesses'. It's a shame it has no solid evidence, still.

http://www.un.org/peace/jenin/

You seem to use the same zionist websites over and over again....

www.un.org - The UN's Official Website, A Zionist website.

You heard it here, folks.

Actually, I would suggest that everybody interested in this subject read the UN link given by Mr. "Nya-ha-ha" Merkava. It is by no means "proof" that there was no massacre -- by the report´s own admission, estimates are difficult to make -- and I´m not surprised, it took too long for the UN to get in there -- time enough to sweep a lot of incriminating evidence under the rug. And Sharon certainly wants to keep his iron grip on all information about goings-on in the area.

The Article states that only 52 people were killed, as opposed to the gross exaggeration of 500-5,000 by most of the Arab population.

It also states that more than half of that 52 were armed terrorists.

It also states that 23 Israeli soldiers somehow died.

It wasn't a Massacre, it was more of a miniscule Battle scene.

It's funny, because the article also fails to mention who exactly killed those 20 some civilians.

Crossfire is a BlTCH.

Exactly my point to TWBR. I'm sure Palestinians have died by their own bullets just as Israel has died by some of theirs. To simply blame it all on Israel isn't realistic.

I think the mere fact that terrorist set up their base in those camps are enough to question whether or not their accounting is 100% correct. Any one that does such a thing in my opinion is dishonest from the start.

I do not personally believe it was a massacre. I just think the stronger force prevailed yet again and now we have all sorts of accusations levied. If anyone thinks that the hate that exist over in that country isn't projected in their version of events, then they're mistaken. Same thing however can be said for Israel, so there must be an investigation by someone.

Problem is, when the investigation comes out differently than the other wants it to, they simply cry unfair.

Just how conclusive can a UN report essentially based on the Sharon government´s self-serving reports be considered? Tom Sawyer wasn´t the only one who got others to help him out with whitewashing...

I would also like to throw out a question to anyone who wants to, or thinks they can, answer it: WHO here is "blaming it all on Israel"? I, for one, have yet to read a single post here that appears to do such a thing. It´s all too easy to make misleading statements that insinuate that people are taking intolerant attitudes which they are NOT taking -- but I´m used to seeing this tactic used here and elsewhere. I´m convinced that critical thinkers won´t be fooled by it.

One aspect of the UN report I found interesting was

Heh, heh. "Absolutely necessary?" I don't think so.

Israel's operations in the territories are crucial to the protection of it's citizens. Out of the past 450 some suicide bombings, how do you think Israel prevented 300 of them?

And that's not to mention the amount that were never even attempted because of the elmination of Hamas leaders.

Again, if one wants to accept, without question, as "necessary" whatever action the Sharon government takes in the way of military operations, why you can "justify" just about anything, can´t you? Especially when the most powerful country on earth (and their #1 ally) is virtually mute on the subject. The arabs should not be categorically condemned for the deplorable terrorist attacks against Israel, just as all jews should not be condemned for the supposedly "necessary" military operations carried out that have destroyed Palestinian homes and lives, yes, some terrorists and not a few innocent men, women, and children -- in the name of Israeli security and the war against terrorism.

Ok Luke a few things jump out here at me.

First, what is deemed "Absolutely necessary"?

Secondly, that wall is absolutely necessary in my opinion to prevent such attacks as suicide bombers in which the PA utterly refuses to do. How can you honestly say that was is meant to harrass Palestinians? Why do you hold Israel to a higher standard than Palestinians?

The wall wouldn't be necessary if the bombings were stopped, or at least honest efforts to do so. Is Israel suppose to simply accept this as a way of life for them? You don't think much of the protesting coming from Palestinians are because they know the wall will make it more difficult for suicide bombers?

Israel has the right to defend their citizens. Palestinians have a right to defend theirs. The standard is equal. No lesser standards should be applied to Palestinians because they're less fortunate than Israelis.

More than half the civilian deaths wouldn't occur in the first place if Palestinian terrorist stop setting up base in refugee camps and civilian areas. The difference with them is they don't care. They will use them as shields and target civilians in Israel and tell the world that's what their aim was from the start.

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The analagy of native Americans isn't quite as peachy as you make it out to be. Their land was taken, and many of them are on reservations with sub-human standards just like the Palestinians.

If you recall Arafat outright refused a pretty good offer for peace from Bill Clinton, and would have a statehood today if he had accepted. I never seen any native Americans committing the atrocities Palestinian extremists do. I will bet you the land I live on that if they were conducting themselves in this manner, they would not have anything today. No casinos, no reservations, ...nothing. See my point?

You have some good points here Luke, and I agree with most of what you've said, however I would like to take note of a few things.

You're good!!!

Dont forget that Israel also kills more civilians than the Palestinian terrorists......

Your right, merkava, one can be prevented and the other one can't.

The PALESTINIAN bombers CAN be prevented - the stats of the amount prevented (supposedly 198 out of 200 stopped) speak for themselves.

However, it is the brutal ISRAELI soldiers that CANT be stopped - they have weapons way superior to the Palestinians. These are the attacks that can not be prevented - if anyone tries, then it's Jenin 2nd for the suffering Palestinians.

Your right, merkava, one can be prevented and the other one can't.

The PALESTINIAN bombers CAN be prevented - the stats of the amount prevented (supposedly 198 out of 200 stopped) speak for themselves.

However, it is the brutal ISRAELI soldiers that CANT be stopped - they have weapons way superior to the Palestinians. These are the attacks that can not be prevented - if anyone tries, then it's Jenin 2nd for the suffering Palestinians.

Your right, Merkava, one can be prevented whereas the other can't.

It is the PALESTINIAN bombs which CAN be prevented! As the Israeli stats speak for themselves, many, as many as 198 out of every 200 attempted attacks are stopped.

On the other hand, it is the brutal ISRAELI soldiers that CANT be stopped! They have weapons much more superior to the Palestinians - and if the Palestinians try and fight back for what they believe in - here comes Jenin 2nd.

I'm not disagreeing. If you read your thread "attention everybody" you will see that I am currently debating that issue with TWBR.

One mispelling error? lol and ofcorse i cant cencor u, im using the INTERNET lol

TWBR I think it foolishly blind sighted to think that this is a one way street. This is a cycle and a violent vicious one at that.

One thing I can say is that Israel usually is targeting or trying to target terror cells and their leadership. I don't always subscribe to their methods but their standard is higher than that of Palestinian groups as Luke has pointed out they should be.

Suicide bombers have no one to blame but themselves for their actions. They are not under hypnosis or some other mind control. They are motivated by hate of Israel and they act on this as if it's some great honor to go in and target women and children indiscremenately in resturants and buses. Afterward they hold parades and marches declaring their suicide bombers heros and martyrs.

If Israel intentionally bombed civilians only then held marches in their streets declaring the ones who did it heros, Palestinians and Arabs around the world would be crying so loudly the would be heard on the moon.

Facts are these. Israel is wrong for targeting Hamas leaders among civilian populations. I do however think it self defense to target them. Palestinian bombers are wrong in their idiologies and their targeting of civilians. I think there's a low level of human decency to intentionally commit such an act. What's worse is the celebration in the streets when such an act is committed.

I remember seeing Palestinians celebrating in the streets by the hundreds when the events of 9/11 took place and the PA moved immediately to squelch the celebrations. Sept 11 was humanity at its lowest only to be topped by Palestinians, no human beings celebrating in the streets at such an obvious evil event.

So where does the problem lie? In my opinion the reason why Palestinians aren't in a place called Palestine today is because of them. Their thought processes are horribly primative and this is directly causing most of their hardships.

Suicide bombers have no one to blame but themselves for their actions. They are not under hypnosis or some other mind control. They are motivated by hate of Israel and they act on this as if it's some great honor to go in and target women and children indiscremenately in resturants and buses. Afterward they hold parades and marches declaring their suicide bombers heros and martyrs.

No sh*t they are the ones to blame, if they are the ones who are behind it and are doing it, Israel's actions are trigering it to happen, if Israel would just back off and try to have peace with the Palestinians ( many of those groups are willing to have peace with an agreement ) the hatred on the Israelis will decrease.

If Israel intentionally bombed civilians only then held marches in their streets declaring the ones who did it heros, Palestinians and Arabs around the world would be crying so loudly the would be heard on the moon.

Again, Israel does target Civilians and they kill them, keep on denying it

Facts are these. Israel is wrong for targeting Hamas leaders among civilian populations. I do however think it self defense to target them. Palestinian bombers are wrong in their idiologies and their targeting of civilians. I think there's a low level of human decency to intentionally commit such an act. What's worse is the celebration in the streets when such an act is committed.

Israel is wrong for killing thousands of Palestinian civilians and getting away with it, and not being called Terrorists by idiots.
Ofcorse, go ahead and kill the terrorists, its right, they should have some self defense, and think that Israel they never did anything wrong.

I remember seeing Palestinians celebrating in the streets by the hundreds when the events of 9/11 took place and the PA moved immediately to squelch the celebrations. Sept 11 was humanity at its lowest only to be topped by Palestinians, no human beings celebrating in the streets at such an obvious evil event.

duhh, i thnk they are aware that the U.S supports Israel up the ass, what do you want them to feel sorry for the U.S?
To them, if the U.S is going to let them rott in sh*t them they will just say **** The U.S and let them rott in hell,
Also, i remember those 5 Israelis that got caught dancing and celebrating the 9/11 attack, they were celebrating and taking pistures of them selves showing the twin towers burning, if these guys feel like that, then i wonder how the rest of the Israelis felt about this attack on the U.S.

So where does the problem lie? In my opinion the reason why Palestinians aren't in a place called Palestine today is because of them. Their thought processes are horribly primative and this is directly causing most of their hardships.

No they arent in a place called Palestine today because of their shitty leader Arafat, those terrorists groups, and ofcorse the one who started it all, started this violence, the one who kicked out 10 Million Palestinians out of their homes, the ones that have killed around 100,000 Palestinians since the 1940s, ISRAEL.

TWBR, how can 10 million Palestinians have been chucked out of their homes if there was only 1 million people living in the land at the time??

Well the numbers right now are 4,082,300, let me search for the total refugee population since the 1940s.

Here you, go i hope this helps,
http://www.badil.org/Refugees/Stati...lation-2001.pdf

I'm afraid your badly mistaken. The other refugees are simply Arabs from Arab countries identifying themselves as Palestinians. Worldwide, there are 10 million Palestinians, but how can more than 1 million of them be refugees if only a million of them were living in israel in 1948?

This is actually a cool way of making money - selling 'proof' of jenin massacre on video.

A-Z, could I get the source for that Ariel Sharon quote about the Jews controlling America, and the Americans knowing it?

Of course Jenin happened. Denying its existence could be described like the Holocaust deniers.

No i've got that quote from loads of places, as well as actually being told about it from my israeli cousins! They heard it a few years ago on the Kol Yisroel radio station in Israel.

Oneofpeace, what I think Luke90 is trying to say, and which I agree with, isn't that they have no other choice, but they are very desparate and are looking for a way out. Put yourself in their shoes. Your parents' houses were taken from Israelis. You live in a refugee camp. Twice you've had to move because your home has been bombed. Every day, you don't know whether it will be your last.

Can you blame them for hating Israel?

Some of them are so desparate, so full of hate and anguish and torment, that they becom suicide bombers.

Of course I don't agree with them. But surely you can understand WHY somebody would become a suicide bomber?

Thats the problem with people today, they dont know how the Palestinians are feeling right now, i saw a video in the Discovery Channel and the Palestinians said that they are completely dead on the inside and wish to die soon.
I feel their anger and their sufferage because im Palestinian my self and i love them all, so when they die, i get hurt and angry along with them.

I understand you, what do you think of the Palestinians deaths before 1994 where the Palestinian terrorism started?

Also, i dont belive that that refugee camps started when the wars happend, When the Zionists illegaly took over Palestine and kicked out the Palestinians, where do you think they went?

To answer your first question, terrorism didn't start in 94. There were incidents of killings on both sides for decades prior.

As for refugee camps, the first ones came about for the Palestinians after they rejected Israel in 48 and decided to annihilate them. They lost that war and been in refugee camps ever since.

Ok, but attacks like Suicide Bomings didnt happen before 1994, which has been the only terrorist attack that we've seen, yes minor incidents have happened, like Palestinian gunmen killing Israeli civilians but that was minimal, but before 1994, im sure that the attacks on the Palestinian people wasnt for self defence since there wasnt a lot of attacks on the Israelis, if im wrong, prove it and i will agree.

I answered your above post in another forum. Click below to see what I posted.

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It's also interesting to note that there were Jewish terrorist groups, which many people don't know about.

That's true antizion there was Israel terror groups. But if they still existed today we would know them. There are many past terror groups that we don't know about because they no longer exist. The reason why we know of Palestinian terrorist orgs is because they continue today.

Exactly - there are no Jewihs terorist groups today. Why do you think that is? Because they HAVE their country! There is no need to!

And what about the Israeli fanatical settlers movement? Are they not terrorists?

In what way are they terrorist? Also, Arab/Palestinian constant rejection of Israel is why they have no land today. This is further exacorbated by Palestinian leadership and the many terrorist factions that exist in Palestinian lands.

That land is an unorganized chaotic mess. How do you make a deal for peace with them? Do you sit down and bargain with 20 factions plust the PA?

So you agree with those Israelis who go on suicide missions when they run into mosques and shoot?

Israelis don't go into mosques with bombs strapped to their bodies blowing them up, unlike Palestinians. Suicide missions mean you DON'T come home after the mission is over.

And if the terrorist wouldn't run across the borders commit some kind of violent act, then run back across into mosques for protection, maybe the mosques could be spared.

I find if funny how you lay no blame for Palestinian terrorist taking up refuge in camps and religious structures.

I didn't say they didn't go into mosques TW, please read my post before you digress from the subject.

Ok

They ARE suicide missions though, although they're not suicide bombs most are aware that there is no way they are going to come out alive, they know that they'll kill some Palestinians but someone will eventually kill him.

So what is the difference when any incursion takes place in Palestinian land Anti? What you describe is the reality of war and Israel isn't sneaking into Palestinian resturants blowing themselves and everything in sight up.

Because the risk factor is high doesn't make it a suicide mission, just a very dangerous one. After all, they do come home sometimes unlike suicide bombers that are successful.

You need to find another angle because that one is ridiculous.