As a muslim, i have learned of what Jews have been doing in the time of Judaism,Christianity and Islam, i dont have 100% knowledge what they did but it was really serious, since they did that, God has cursed them ( the holocaust is a huge punishment ), i also remember that the Jews practiced some type of Magic thing im not sure ( Cabala maybe? ), and maybe they had something to do with the death of Prophet Jesus ( PBUH ) , But these cannot be used as reasons to hate on Jewish people, like many do all around the world, including Muslims ( one reason that they hate each other is because Jews have history of trying to damage Islam ) but its ok, Islam will never be hurt ). There are some really good Jewish people out there, including Israeli people, They protest against the occupations and there are many Jewish Anti-Zionist organizations ( ill get them in a while ), The Jewish religion does not support the Zionists and i can see that Zionists are hurting the Jewish people, they are giving them a bad name. We Muslims and Good Jews should just unite and be friends so we can fight the Zionists. Me and Antizionist2004 seem to get along even though im muslim and hes jewish , and he is not a self-hating jewish person, he a zionist-haiting jewish person.
What a bunch of ridiculous hogwash. Wakeup your cosigning of this crap I think is worse than the poster himself.
TWBR I believe you are young. You are Muslim and by that account you believe what you are taught. It unfortunately has led you to unrealistic and biased views such as your statement that the holocaust was punishment from God. So I guess with that same rationale one can say the Palestinians are suffering today because God decided to punish them. After all, every effort they made against Israel has been unsuccessful to date. And who's fault is this? Don't tell me, the USA.
Your statement that Jews are trying to destroy Islam sounds like calculated strategies to enlist the minds of other Muslims to annimosity toward them.
What I also find is that Arabs and Muslims are obsessed with Israel. They completely overlook far worse atrocities committed today by other Muslims against Muslims and point to Israel incursions.
What I find in your idiologies is complete lack of balance. I attribute it to the fact that you're Muslim. Simply supporting one because they are of the same faith is wrong. Whenever someone is wrong it should be called such.
Why Muslims sit idley by and watch other Muslims slaughter eachother, then call Israel murderers is beyond me. I had one person tell me that it's because Israel claims to be these great humanitarians so they should be held to a higher standard. In that statement I took it to say that Muslims are not humane so it's ok for them to commit murders and atrocities why Israel cannot.
My unsolicited advice? Find out about history on your own. Don't simply subscribe to the biased teachings of others. Your pattern here is nothing new from what I've already heard. Half the time you say you have to do some research. Translation, you have to find some material to support your teachings. Anything you find that doesn't support it gets dismissed.
Do yourself a favor. Seek the truth. You'll find it doesn't always agree with you, but it still will set you free.
TWBR I believe you are young. You are Muslim and by that account you believe what you are taught. It unfortunately has led you to unrealistic and biased views such as your statement that the holocaust was punishment from God. So I guess with that same rationale one can say the Palestinians are suffering today because God decided to punish them. After all, every effort they made against Israel has been unsuccessful to date. And who's fault is this? Don't tell me, the USA. Your statement that Jews are trying to destroy Islam sounds like calculated strategies to enlist the minds of other Muslims to annimosity toward them.
Actually i was tought nothing, my parents dont teach me anything, the only thing they taught me is how to pray and some things from the Quran, i got all of this from my fellow friends in forums and in school.
This is our belief and you might not belive in it and i dont have to belive in your beliefs, Maybe the Palestinians are suffering because God is mad at them , who knows?
And Im only saying that the U.S is supporting this occupation with the money that they send to Israel and the Miliraty weapons they send to Israel.
And my statements about the Jews trying to destroy Islam is indeed true and Jews know it, they have history of trying to damage Islam by stating false accusations about them, and some non-true muslims also do this, and this has to stop.
What I also find is that Arabs and Muslims are obsessed with Israel. They completely overlook far worse atrocities committed today by other Muslims against Muslims and point to Israel incursions.
We muslims and Arabs are abit different from the rest of the world, we care extremely a lot for each other, so we tend to care a lot on the Israel and Palestine problem, sometimes i see my mom crying because of it, yes you are right ont this one, Muslims VS Muslims, these attacks vs Muslims mostly happens in Iraq as i can see, and Iraq being a crappy country, im not surprised that this is happening, the reason why Muslims are attacking other Muslims is becase both are different type of Muslims, there is the Sunni Muslims and the Shia Muslims, it think its really stupid and unnecessary to have two different groups , but hey There is a True Muslim ( keeps its peace and follows Islam ) and there is a Fake Muslim ( a person who is born Muslim but kills and does not follow Islam well, for example : That **** sucker of Saddam Hussein )
What I find in your idiologies is complete lack of balance. I attribute it to the fact that you're Muslim. Simply supporting one because they are of the same faith is wrong. Whenever someone is wrong it should be called such.
I dont support Saddam Hussein, he might be Muslim , but like i said, hes a fake muslim that is going to hell, wit the Zionists,Nazis,KKKs, and ect ect.....
Why Muslims sit idley by and watch other Muslims slaughter eachother, then call Israel murderers is beyond me. I had one person tell me that it's because Israel claims to be these great humanitarians so they should be held to a higher standard. In that statement I took it to say that Muslims are not humane so it's ok for them to commit murders and atrocities why Israel cannot.
Your mixing two things in one, like i said, Fake Muslims commit murder and its not acceptable, but since its kinda rare, we dont focus on it too much, and as for Israel they are murderes for sure and so are the Suicide Bombers, but theres a reason to why both sides are murdering. Israel for Self protection and For land and Suicide Bombers for a payback and they dont want to live anymore , due to the occupation , like most of the Palestinians , after 54 years of suffering they are dead on the inside and they dont want to live anymore.
My unsolicited advice? Find out about history on your own. Don't simply subscribe to the biased teachings of others. Your pattern here is nothing new from what I've already heard. Half the time you say you have to do some research. Translation, you have to find some material to support your teachings. Anything you find that doesn't support it gets dismissed.
You really need to learn the deffenition of Biased. And finding a material for my statements , its what im doing.
Do yourself a favor. Seek the truth. You'll find it doesn't always agree with you, but it still will set you free.
I would expect to hear that from a greater person who seeks peace and is sympathetic to both sides, but from you, i take it as a joke.
Good Day!
Although I agree with your views, I am forced to argue some of your points you made about Jews.
since they did that, God has cursed them (the holocaust is a huge punishment)
By implying that the holocaust was a punishment, you are claiming that G-d punishes people by torturing them in gas chambers. You are therefore claiming that G-d is a sadist. I also think that that claim sounds like a bit of an extremist/nazi claim.
i also remember that the Jews practiced some type of Magic thing im not sure ( Cabala maybe? )
Please look up your facts. Judaism conclusively FORBIDS any form of conjuring/magic to be practised. Kabala has nothing to do with magic, it is about reaching deep down into the soul.
and maybe they had something to do with the death of Prophet Jesus ( PBUH )
Now your starting to sound like beckyt. If you don't know who he was, then ask one of the regulars e.g. merkava. He was an evil nazi figure who was on this website and made often hate claims against Jews. If you look right down on this forum to the other pages you will see pages flooded with his hate messages.
Everyone knows that it was the ROMANS that killed Jesus.
By implying that the holocaust was a punishment, you are claiming that G-d punishes people by torturing them in gas chambers. You are therefore claiming that G-d is a sadist. I also think that that claim sounds like a bit of an extremist/nazi claim.
I hold the Nazis 100% and more , in fault of the Holocaust no doubt, if there was anyway that i somehow would have prevented this , i would.
Please look up your facts. Judaism conclusively FORBIDS any form of conjuring/magic to be practised. Kabala has nothing to do with magic, it is about reaching deep down into the soul.
Oh i read the book night, and im sure i read something about myctizim, not sure, sorry for getting that wrong
and maybe they had something to do with the death of Prophet Jesus ( PBUH )
Now your starting to sound like beckyt. If you don't know who he was, then ask one of the regulars e.g. merkava. He was an evil nazi figure who was on this website and made often hate claims against Jews. If you look right down on this forum to the other pages you will see pages flooded with his hate messages.
Im not saying they did, but people are saying that they demanded him to be killed or something, if its completely false, im truly sorry.
Im not really a racist, if i did sound like one, then sorry, im new to this, im learning as many things as possible, sorry again for some of the comments.
Wakeup, you haven't supplied any grounds for any debate you put forth, just simply agreement with whatever is anti-Israel posted here. I speak however from my convictions so instead of calling me ignorant and leaving me no rebuttal because you've made no case, present your case. Maybe then we could have some constructive dialog.
TWBR, you reinforce my ideas that people should learn more about one another. Maybe if you do, you will be more tolerant of the truth. I believe that your source of teachings are biased (biased = prejudiced). Your arguments sounds more like extremism to me.
I know more about Islam than you give me credit for. I claim to be no expert, but I do know how it is the duty of Muslims to come to the aid of their brothers. More extreme idiologies are that all others are infidels and therefore are worthy of death, especially if they commit transgressions against another Muslim.
I could give you a lesson in Muslim on Muslim atrocities committed long before Iraq came on the radar screen. Truly there is a silence among Arab/Muslim worlds about killings, land deposessions, rapes, and yes massacres by the 10's even 100's of thousands that are committed by other Muslims against Muslims. Israel pales in comparison to many of these atrocities.
What is your definition of "fake Muslims"? This sounds sort of self-righteous to me TWBR. Look, I don't knock your beliefs since I'm not Muslim, but I do see a common bond between Muslims all over. It matters not if their brother is wrong, but matters more if their brother is wronged, even if it's by his own transgressions this occurred.
I'm in my late 30's now, but I remember when I was younger, I believed so whole heartedly in my religious teachings I didn't take the time to find out what the other's beliefs and faiths were. As a consequence I subscribed to ideas that wasn't totally accurate. This is why I say you need to widen your perspectives. You may just find that somethings you were taught was more ideas than truths.
TWBR I made this case in another thread so I'm going to simply paste what I typed in there. You can easily varify this information because you have access to the internet.
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Posted by Oneofpeace
Saddam single-handedly killed more Muslims than anyone alive. He also treated his own people with such inhumanity that is rivaled by no other. Yet and still, he is held in such high esteem in the Muslim world and even haled as a hero to many of them.
The National Islamic Front in Sudan killed hundreds of thousands Muslims. They've also taken Islamic Slaves. The Armed Islamic Group in Algeria also killed hundreds of thousands within the last 10 years alone. In Chechnya, another 100 thousand killed and half the population displaced from their homes. The Taliban and Al Quaeda killed 10 of thousands of Shia. In Mauritania, tens of thousand of Muslims are held as slaves. Tens of thousands more died in the Kashmir conflict and in the civil wars in Liberia, Ivory Coast, and Sierra Leone. Thousands more have died in Nigeria and Indonesia. The Burmese junta drove out more than a quarter million of its Rohingya Muslims in the early 1990s. In India last year some 2,000 Muslims were slaughtered in Gujarat, some disemboweled or burned alive while police stood by or joined in.
Yet these events are passed over in silence, even within much of the Muslim world. Meanwhile, the perpetrators of many of these atrocities sit in the UN condemning events in the West Bank.
Feel free to ask questions or do a search on these events.
Hmmm, i do belive in those massecres, why do the Leaders of Muslim countries have to be so devilish? Well atleast those countries are not in the middle east, except for Iraq, we all know how shitty this country is, we all have to blame Islamic Extremists, i ****ing hate them so much, they slaugther Muslims, one of God's orders to muslims was to spread it, once its spread all over the world we will see peace, but when those extremists come, they kill everything, i hope they burn in hell along wit the Nazis and the Zionists. These 3 groups make the world unsafe. Well Nazis are dead, thank god, but they left a huge mark.
But Iraq is not a Muslim country! It is an Arab country!
But beside the point, this is to TWBR:
I hold the Nazis 100% and more , in fault of the Holocaust no doubt, if there was anyway that i somehow would have prevented this , i would.
So why did you say on your previous post that the holocaust was a punishment on the Jews?
Oh i read the book night, and im sure i read something about myctizim, not sure, sorry for getting that wrong
Don't say your not sure, say "i'm wrong" - because kaballah certainly isnt magic. Judaism FORBIDS magic, there's actually a whole section in the Torah that discusses it.
Im not saying they did, but people are saying that they demanded him to be killed or something, if its completely false, im truly sorry.
There's a huge difference between demanding his death and actually killing him. Anyway, you can see why he wasn't exactly popular with the Jews, going around saying he was the Messiah and the "son of G-d." By the way, in Islam doesn't it bother you that Jesus said he was the messiah and son of god yet you believe he was just another prophet. They contradict each other!
Jesus never said he was the son of god, his followers see him as that, and they are very wrong, God has no brother,sister,mother,dad, or son, God has no partners, and Jesus is human, human like us, we should not pray to a prophet.
Oh whats the messiah?
So why did you say on your previous post that the holocaust was a punishment on the Jews?
Because God let it happen.
Don't say your not sure, say "i'm wrong" - because kaballah certainly isnt magic. Judaism FORBIDS magic, there's actually a whole section in the Torah that discusses it.
I strongly belive that Judaism forbids magic, but i remember reading something about it, ill get the book and check it out.
There's a huge difference between demanding his death and actually killing him. Anyway, you can see why he wasn't exactly popular with the Jews, going around saying he was the Messiah and the "son of G-d." By the way, in Islam doesn't it bother you that Jesus said he was the messiah and son of god yet you believe he was just another prophet. They contradict each other!
I have a cople of friends who hate jews because they belive that they killed Jesus ( all of them christains), i will talk to them about it.
Your right about that, but Jesus did see himself as the Jewish Mashiach/messiah despite the fact that he did not fulfill the criteria set by the Rambam.
You guys are arguing religion now. We have a Jew, Muslim, and I am Christian. This subject can get pretty sticky and I tend to stir away from them.
Before I add my 2 cents, I would like to say that I don't want to debate who's religion is right or wrong. I however would like to add that the Pharisees were very instrumental in bring about the death of Jesus. They wielded great political power back in those days and they wanted Jesus out because of his popularity and yes because of his proclaimation of being the "Son of God".
Jews rejected him as the Messiah and in fact are still looking for a Messiah to this very day.
Of course Jesus wasn't the Messiah! What a load of nonsense! For in the Old Testament it states that the messiah would be an ordinary man who would build the third temple. Did Jesus fulfill this criteria?
