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| Posted by: Marc Flemming | | I've moved these into their own thread. They're not images from the current war (which the original thread is depicting).
Response: War is Hell. We've all seen images similar to these before. Others of us have witnessed it in person.
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| Honnest and balanced news ...... you know ? |
Absolutely. Now - along those lines - it might do your point justice to locate images of the wounded and dead Saddam has left in his wake.
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | I've already seen those.
Where's the pictures of what Saddam's Gas did to the kurd's and when he gased his own people? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Right-hand | | War is hell. In this case it appears to be the lesser of two evils which makes you wonder what would happen if we simply packed up and left the Middle East forever. Allowing Saddam to act on his own will, creating WoMD and using them to complete his master plan of unifying all arabs under the Iraqi flag and wiping Israel off the face of the Earth.
Maybe we should just let that happen and watch from the comforts of our homes and say, "None of our business. War is just too horrible to get involved in." | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nowar | | You talk about Kurds ?
they were supposed to be free after the Gulf War ....
Who did the promise ? U.S. gov, by the father of the actual
Who did not fulfill the promise ? U.S. by the father of the actual
Who killed Kurds ? Saddam, U.S. did nothing to stop that .....
with gas provided by .... U.S. gov during Iran/Iraq war .... launched by helicopters provided by ... U.S. gov ....
What the Kurds will suffer after Iraq war ? Turkey oppression ...
Who promised the Palestinian the complete autonomy and a land just before the Gulf War ? U.S. by the father of the actual
Who did not fulfill the promise ? U.S. by the father of the actual
Who promised the Palestinian the complete autonomy and a land just before the Iraq war ? U.S. by the actual, you know the son of the other
Who will not fulfill the promise ?
@Right-hand
where is the threat to U.S. ? you talk about Israel, so you even don't care about the others in the Mid-East
Oh, yeah, I forgot the strong links there are between U.S. and Israel ..... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Right-hand | | Actually I speak of Israel because it has been a main target of Saddam for a long time. That sort of action could be the quickest way to sparking a regional conflict. If you can't figure out how that would be bad news then I will spell it out for you.
The threat to the US is real. I really don't want to write it out for the millionth time in this forum. If you don't know where I stand on the issue then find another post where I have made my views known.
Besides that, I think that if you were to reread my statement I actually do mention all arab states and not just Israel, I just mention them specifically because they are a special case when it comes to what Saddam considers a target. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | um - you didn't answer my question - you just got all fired up over nothing.
That cracks me up sometimes | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nowar | |
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In a letter to President Bush on Feb. 13, two Kurdish leaders, Jalal Talabani and Massoud Barzani, expressed alarm over the lack of equipment. "There is a growing anxiety at the inability to deliver on pledges of help to our region," they wrote in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times . "We have yet to receive any of the protective equipment promised by your officials to deal with the very real risk of chemical or biological weapons attack."
A senior American official said in a telephone interview that the Pentagon was addressing the problem. He said Turkey's recent blocking of the deployment of American troops had complicated the situation.
"There was one set of circumstances when American forces were coming in a big way through Turkey," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "If they don't come through Turkey then the issue is different. We are very much focused on that issue."
Officials in Washington have cited other possible obstacles to providing equipment to the Kurds, including restrictions in United Nations resolutions and United States law on sending supplies to Iraq.
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He asked why Kuwaiti and Israeli civilians were well equipped while the Kurds had nothing.
"You in the U.S. are responsible for what happens here," he said. "Pray for us."
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And you say U.S. gov is taking care of the people ???
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| Posted by: Right-hand | | Sounds like you made the case that we sure tried out best but that Turkey has blocked our efforts. Shouldn't your attack on the US be directed at the Turks?
You just never stop with the anti-American stuff do you? You have some serious chip on your shoulder; I'm curious what sparked you hatred for my country? Jealousy? Envy? Or was it something as simple as hearing anti-American remarks and accpeting them as fact as a young person?
I'm curious because I don't see you attacking Iraq for their involvment in the Iran - Iraq war, or their attack against Kuwait. I don't see you pointing out the horrible things the Germans did during WWII or what the British, Spanish, Dutch, Germans, Portugese, Austrians, Russians did during the time of expansion. I don't see you pointing out the horrible things done by the Japanese during WWII or by the Brazilians to the native people of that country.
You seem to be completely focused on the US, what we do and what we have done from a negitive standpoint, ignoring anything and everything positive this country has done. You also seem to ignore the fact that the US is not alone in making mistakes and making war around the world.
So what's up? What's your big beef? Why tip-toe around things. Just say what your real issue is with the US. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: bonny | | War is never going to be a pretty and clean affair.....unfortunately its a necessary evil against evil | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | Right-hand - that's a good question
The British, French, and German did a lot worse then the U.S. did when expanding their empire and thankfully it is in the past.
Just as the US assisting Iraq in any manner is "in the past."
But what Saddam does is the here and now plus past.
Thanks for the link nowar. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nowar | | Is it about the war the U.S. will do against Iraq with "evidences", wmd provided by U.S. to a country whith which U.S. and Allies was in war to free Kuweit but forgot the Kurds ? or is about the history of the world ?
90% of countries have blood on their hand in the history justifying this blood mainly by their religion but does that means it has to continue ?
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So the Iraq war is an expansion war ?
that's what a lot of anti-war people think and say
I'm not anti-american as you seems to think
I'm against U.S. gov
Maybe more on Bush as it seems to be a real stupid puppet in the hand of military, lobbies and "God"
Failure is not an option ...
War is a failure | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Charles | | OK NoWar, please explain why the US did not follow up with its defeat of Saddam's armies and go to Baghdad, and support the Kurd and Shiite uprisings during the last war.
Were we stopped? Did we bend to the UN? Were we too concerned about populist worldwide opinion than the rights and well being of the Iraqi's? Was the coalition too fragile?
Yeah. It was a dumb political decision. It was STUPID! We learned our lesson (I only hope). We will now do the right thing. You are adept at missing the point.
You criticize the US for not acting. You criticize the US for acting. What is your point? Can you do anything but criticize? Can you think that many moves ahead? Or are you limited to "reacting" when you see pictures you don't like, and attacking the most popular "target" of the day. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Right-hand | |
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Originally posted by nowar
Is it about the war the U.S. will do against Iraq with "evidences", wmd provided by U.S. to a country whith which U.S. and Allies was in war to free Kuweit but forgot the Kurds ? or is about the history of the world ? |
I'm not sure I totally understand your sentance. I think you are still trying to revert back to the fact that Iraq was given Anthrax strains 25 years ago and using that to paint the US as hypocritical because now we want to take them away from Iraq.
The Gulf War was a war to liberate Kuwait. Never was there and objective to remove Saddam from power, never was there and objective to conquer Iraq. If you can find something that says otherwise post it here.
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| 90% of countries have blood on their hand in the history justifying this blood mainly by their religion but does that means it has to continue ? |
No. And hopefully this military action against Iraq will make the chances of such action occuring in the Middle East less. I know you can't seem to grasp that idea, which shows your lack of critical thinking power, but I understand it quite clearly. Even though that is not our direct reason for going into Iraq, it is the reason we had Iraq sign the cease-fire agreement in the first place. That is why we want him to disarm.
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So the Iraq war is an expansion war ?
that's what a lot of anti-war people think and say |
That is waht a lot of anti-war people think and say your right on that fact. Someone mark this post it could be a first!  Seriously though, haven't you realized yet that the majority of these anti-war people are the most uninformed? They continually repeat the same false reasons for going to war, they continually repeat the same false anti-American statements and fail to ever cite any facts to back them up!
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I'm not anti-american as you seems to think
I'm against U.S. gov
Maybe more on Bush as it seems to be a real stupid puppet in the hand of military, lobbies and "God" |
I am a huge critic of the US government myself, but I am smart enough to realize that not everything our government does is based on some kind of conspiracy theory. Do you not realize that the men and women who make up our government, and its much more than just Congress and the White House, are REAL PEOPLE. They live here in the US right alongside the rest of us. They shop at the same stores, eat the same food, watch the same TV shows and their children go to the same schools. Maybe to you they seem fake and far off like some kind of strange TV show but its not the case my friend. And to think that they simply ignore everything else they know and bow down to the "puppetmasters" is simply absurd.
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Failure is not an option ...
War is a failure |
War is a diplomatic failure. Failure is not a military option. You have taken the two sentences out of context and linked them togeather to sound good. Nice try but it doesn't jive.
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| Posted by: Charles | |
Thats a great link Nowar. Did you review it? I like the part about their investigation into the use of poison gas by Iraq. Interesting how they report that Iraq denied using poison gas in the Iran-Iraq war, and denied using gas against the Kurds. Of course these doctors confirmed the use by Iraq of poison gas. All of this was later documented and is considered common knowledge.
Hmmm. Who is the bad guy here? Who is the liar? Who gasses his neighbors and his own defenseless people?
What are you arguing for? What do you want? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | It was also mentioned at Geneva in 1986 - yeah I took a look at it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nowar | | damn you don't read what I'm writing ....
Didi I say that Saddam never did this blodbath ?
I said with the help of U.S. which sold the biological and chemical base for weapons, developped in manufacture made by german under the pressure of CIA and dropped with helicopter provided to Saddam by U.S. gov .....
For the Iran, U.S. and Italy helped Saddam with weapons and the technology base for wmd.
When Saddam used the gas bomb on Iran soldiers did U.S. said something ? No because at that time the evil was Iran ...... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Sean Kelly | | wow! thanks for posting them.. I'm sorry I must convert them to links in order to give people who object to viewing such material a chance before deciding to view.
I must say, some of them are hard to believe, or appear doctored, or show scarred battle wounds that should not have scarred after only combatting less than a week, so I'm not sure what to think of them all. I'm half-inclined to believe that some or all of them amy be faked or from some other time, but still they serve as a numbing reminder of the types of things that happen in an all-out, bloody confrontation like the one in Iraq today. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Rene | | Any war is like that. People die, suffer, are wounded and maimed. We don't normally see this kind of images because the press is not impartial. Just like al Jazeera has a bias, so has the US press. Where I live I can see both the Arabic channel MBC and CNN, and they don't seem to be talking about the same thing. They bare both very biased and really show one side of the conflict. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: peaceMan | | hi TacomaTough,
you are right we can trust aljazeera OK?
can you count these pics >> they are 15 pics>>
how maney pics from aljazeera ?? >> only 5 pics>>
that's mean most of these pics come throuh our media , but we don't want to believe that > you know why ?? cuz of the word propaganda >> man what apeople >> we don't believe what we see but we believe what we told by media .
I hope we can see the trouthby our own eyes not by other's.
have a nice dreams . | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Rambo | | Why do clowns like you keep posting the same old pics?
That 4th picture, though... is that guy really dead or just someone with a cut on their face, praying to Allah? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Rambo | | In the first picture... is that a human? The way the head has exploded like that I get the feeling that it's an inflatable doll. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Rambo | | That last picture looks more like a guy who just got a Dear John letter from his girlfriend. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gdog | | Wow, those are terrible pictures of death and destruction of Iraqi civilians. Only one problem, these are pictures from the marketplace bombing, that resulted from IRAQI shells falling back on their own territory.
Let me guess....this is Americas fault because if we had'nt started the war, the Iraqis wouldent have shelled themselves.
Yeah, it makes sense now. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: TacomaTough | |
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Originally posted by gdog
Wow, those are terrible pictures of death and destruction of Iraqi civilians. Only one problem, these are pictures from the marketplace bombing, that resulted from IRAQI shells falling back on their own territory.
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Thanks for that G. I forgot to mention that point.
Wes
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| Posted by: cable166 | | im really getting sick from you anti-war people. i got a really good solution to all of the war..we can stop real quick. first we pull all of our troops out of iraq and send over the biggest nuclear missle we have and good bye to all of freakin dot heads civilians and all! enough said. you anti war people need to wake up. stop whining about all of this. im sure none of you lost any family or loved ones in the trade center? if you did you would not be such little cry babies about the war.. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Rambo | | The guy holding that girl in the third picture... I know him.
He's a member of Saddam's wannabe Ninja squad. He is dressed down in this instance and showing to the camera an Iraqi fathers, daughter.... saying 'Fight with us, or we will do the same to your other daughter' | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: peaceMan | | guys I think you forgot that god have the absolute power .
Now answer my quistion >> Who attack the trading center ??
what that have to do with Iraq >> didn't US attack afghanistan because of the 9/11 , So why now they attack iraq .
who controling the media in the US & who will gain from this war ?
what's the real reason of this war ?
I think americans are silly enough to get deceived by people who controlling the country just for there own bnefits .
all you have to do is to obey there orders .
how maney soldiers are lost or killed untill now ?
why they stop the war now ? I know no one of you know the truth or what's going on there on the gulf .
they stop it cuz there is no suppley for catering or armors . cus they found a severe opposition from iraqi people .
the goverment lies to the people , the said the war will take about one week and in the second day they said it will take long time and you have to be patient . WHY all that ?? cuz they know they can control the media and the people .
now George W Bush requisting 75 billion dollars for this war .
did you ask your self Who will pay that money ??
Yes Me and you , but the bigger quistion Where this money will go ??
No you are wrong ..  not to the war . but to the MAFIA of the White House 
Ok let's start over ,
If they look for nuclear missle , Why they dont attack North Korea ??
defecult quistion Hah ?? Hehehe
cable166 I want you to know something , you think that USA can send biggest nuclear missle you have ??
you are wrong , cuz they invade Iraq not cuz of Saddam or liberty of Iraqi people >> they invade it cuz of OIL.
Can you answer this quistion ? Who give you the wright to kill people and take there ( money ) oil ?? Do you think that you are the onley human that deserve to survive and the others not ?
man >> read the history and you will know What distroy the older BIGGER & STRONGER natios >>>>> IT'S THE ARROGANCE , INSOLENCE , TRUCULENCE & HAUGHTINESS .
Thanx for your time ,, | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Rambo | |
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| guys I think you forgot that god have the absolute power |
I think you forgot that that depends on which God a person believes in.... if they even believe in a God at all.
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| Posted by: Rambo | | Great. Another image pimp from Al-Jazeera.
The 2nd photo has aroused my curiousity. The way the meat has been ripped out of that arm... it almost looks like a bite mark from a tiger shark.
That exploding head in the 2nd to last photo... that one is interesting, too. The way they yanked her brain out of her head without making a mess. Impressive.
The 3rd to last photo... the gal with a missing leg... you should tell her about Saddam Hussein's 'Free Prothesis Program for Children'
The last photo... the head... is getting a bit boring. The camera shot wasn't too good on that one. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: bubblekins | | I've said it before and I'll say it again:
In reading the anti-war posts here I notice a trend.
It appears that you're all sitting here, or protesting on the street, rather than going to school and getting a much needed education.
As a result of this, you lack the skill to spell, punctuate, use words properly, research facts, and therefore the skill to put across what is a crap argument anyway, so that other fluent speakers can understand your points and possibly be persuaded.
The remedy: Classes in English, history, and modern studies. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: cable166 | | great video! hope this will make the anti-war morons think! atleast we gave iraq plenty of warning! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: loft | |
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Originally posted by cable166
im really getting sick from you anti-war people. i got a really good solution to all of the war..we can stop real quick. first we pull all of our troops out of iraq and send over the biggest nuclear missle we have and good bye to all of freakin dot heads civilians and all! enough said. you anti war people need to wake up. stop whining about all of this. im sure none of you lost any family or loved ones in the trade center? if you did you would not be such little cry babies about the war.. |
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Some of may have not lost people in the twin towers but somewhere else so we understand the feeling of having somebody close dying (It happened in Kossovo for me).
You want Osama Bin Laden, Saddam, Homeini and whoever dictator in the world you thing he might be involved with theTwin Towers? Then go with CIA or special forces or B-52 or something anyway and blow him to the sky. Where is the point invading an entire country just to hunt one person???? And for your fisrt part of your message. With that kind of thinking, why should you get the troops away. Nuke them also. It will save US taxpayers money to transport them home. Ofcourse I am kidding and I hope you were also.
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| Posted by: loft | |
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Originally posted by bubblekins
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
In reading the anti-war posts here I notice a trend.
It appears that you're all sitting here, or protesting on the street, rather than going to school and getting a much needed education.
As a result of this, you lack the skill to spell, punctuate, use words properly, research facts, and therefore the skill to put across what is a crap argument anyway, so that other fluent speakers can understand your points and possibly be persuaded.
The remedy: Classes in English, history, and modern studies. |
It happens that some of us, the so called by you un-cultured ant-war guys, are not US or UK of origin. And we still can communicate in a second language, ENLGISH, as well as many other. Because you are so CULTURED I will tell you something in my language. It will be so easy for you to understand anyway.
" Protou Miliseis Boutikse Tin Glossa sto Myalo Sou" -GREEK-
The remedy: Language classes(not just English), history(not just US), modern and classical studies.
LOFT. Beng E.E.E. student UK.
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| Posted by: peaceMan | | Hi again ,,
This is for US people,
Please notice that the people you mentioned ( attacked twin center ) were killed , and killing moore people will not solve the problem .
THIS WILL MAKE THE WHOLE PEOPLE ON EARTH HATE US PEOPLE AND TREAT THEM AS A CRIMINALS.
beleive me , Iraq will be second vietnam war . and you will rememmber me . | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Tvee | | No WMD have been found so far! But proof of its use and more proof of Iraqi civilian and military preparation for bio and chemical fallout are uncovered. Sending more troops can increase the risks of fatalities from WMD.
But Iraq continues to defy the US and it seems that most of the World too, if media is to be a gauge of popular opinions. Herein lies the danger: Iraq wishes US downfall and regardless of the outcome of war, the US will always have its enemies trying to pull it down to their level of poor civilization. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: loft | | USA has a lot of enemies. Nobody though has starting thinking why those people hate USA. What did they do to them. Is it possible somebody wake up one day and say "I am so bored. I know what I will do. I will go and blow up some USA citizens"? The terrorists ,right or wrong, they believe in the thing they are doing. Mayby as I said they are wrong but definately not loonatics. Most of these guys have higher education and strongly believe in their religion. So what makes them do what they do???? The answer lies in the USA policy in some parts of the world the past 30 years. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Tvee | | The problem is sin and the fruit of human knowledge is taking its toll among men.
American History did not start with Independence and the Constitutional belief in democracy. Rather, it started with the resolve to be guided by the holy bible and the thirst of the first pilgrims from Europe to alter their life and commit to God's WORD.
American Democracy is not like French Democracy that crashed as soon as it took off. There is a deep sense of spiritual strength from TRUTH, JUSTICE, FAIRNESS and faith in GOD. Respect for goodness and human life. And look how much abundance it has yield!
But the US refuses to acknowledge their origins and instead hide in the face of democracy. There has been great politics in religion and the countermeasure is the denial of the issue. The state is made to evolve separate from the church. Because of this denial, the religious feels that the US has no God and it is a race of atheists, or free thinkers.
Can anyone help start a new thread on this topic? | | Reply To this Message
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Post-9/11 Era Forum: Images From Wars (Extreme Content)
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You are one of these idiots that believes we shouldn't stop a country from killing and starving its own people while the dictator lives in a few palaces? Maybe you should live in fear and be starved for a few months while the government spends hundreds of millions of dollars on itself. Hmm, sound like fun? 
This whole antiwar thing really pisses me off. Yes it's your right to say you are opposed, but do you need to do it all the time. 
What a way to make yourself heard. Ok (rant over)