The most Unbiased account of Middle east history ive ever come across.

Israel & Palestine Forum

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm


Enjoy.

LOL merkava good one. I just started reading through it, got bored after 2 minutes. Its a whole ****ing essay!

Lmao, good one, i gonna email those ****s and ask them why didnt they include the numorous massacres done by the Zionists.

I read it, i was disgusted by it, not cause its pro-israel, but how they represented the facts, it made me drift to the Israeli side. Hell, even some of the facts are too crapy to belive. Israeli Defence Forces???? Give me a break!

Anything in particular you care to debate about?

So you think its Ironic that the Israeli Military has "Defence" in its name? Let me tell you why it does, the Major wars Israel has been in, have been defensive. This includes the War of independance, The Six Day war, And the Kom Kippour War.

Those are defensive for sure, but im pretty sure that a large portion of the Palestinian deaths are not from the Israeli Defence Force.

Over the past 3 years, approximately 2800 Palestinians have been killed, and somewhere around 1500 Israelis killed. That is just off the top of my head, but I have an article which goes into much detail.

The article, rather than just mentioning the numbers, looks into what caused the Deaths of each person, if they were armed, or unarmed when they were killed. It is very informative.

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/arti...m?articleid=439

http://www.ict.org.il/graphics/GraphPics/Graph2_9.gif
http://www.ict.org.il/graphics/GraphPics/Graph2_10.gif

Thanks ill check it out.

Merkava, you can't judge the whole of the Palestinian nation just because of the tiny minority.

As a bystander reading here, I'd like to know about some of these massacres TWBR. You keep mentioning them.

I know about the incursions in the early 50's by Ariel Sharon. Indeed I believe he was wrong in his approach, however if you mention Jenine, I find this to be factless. Just a bunch of accusations levied by those on the receiving end of something they started.

And don't take that last sentence out of context. I'm talking about the way they harbored suicide bombers and dared Israel to come into that camp. Israel did just that and they then said it was a massacre. I find nothing credible from the UN to support that claim.

Ok ill get them, not now, im kinda busy, and i only started to get into the situacion a year ago, so im still learning about stuff, so dont ask me about what ever happened in 1900s, maybe Anti-Zionist can help, ill learn all of that soon.
There is tons of evidence that the Jenin really happen. Ill get it for you as well.

I don't believe that Jenin was a massacre. In fact, one of the Palestinian fighters said he didn't see a massacre, but what he saw for the first time was Israeli troops coming into the camps on foot. He said they prayed for that opportunity and began to engage them.

The only ones I've seen claiming it was a massacre are the Arabs and Palestinians. The UN investigated the claim and concluded it was unfounded.

Also, I read the original article posted by this thread. Why do you and antizion believe it's pro Israel? I don't see that at all in this article. Just accounts given of what happened.

It seems to me that anything that doesn't claim Israel is massacring Palestinians, you simply reject it. Just an observation here.

There is actually tons of evidence the Jenin Massacre occured. I am going to make an individual post now to talk about it...

Likewise, the day Sharon gets replaced by someone who actually wants peace, the day innocent Palestinians get massacred and the road map will get back on track.

Sharon only needs to be replaced because the Muslims don't trust him since he's a famous Ex-Military Hero.

I could care less, let him get replaced. Expect similar, if not identical military retaliations, less bribery scandal bullcrap, and maybe a less hideous face.