Debbie admits Michael is not the Father

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I saw on the news this morning, something about Debbie Rowe admitting that Michael Jackson is NOT the biological father of his two eldest children.

The only bit I saw was the text that runs along the bottom of the screen. Does anyone know anything else?

OK - I found this:

abc.com - news

Report: Jackson's Kids' Paternity Questioned

LOS ANGELES — There is a new report that says Michael Jackson is not the biological father of his two older children. This comes from the children's mother Debbie Rowe who apparently now wants temporary exclusive custody.
Jacko is not their father according to the British tabloid the News of the World.

It quotes legal papers by Debbie Rowe that claim she became pregnant through artificial insemination from an anonymous donor. Rowe says she and Jackson entered into a surrogacy agreement in 1996. According to the paper their marriage ceremony was only for securing his parental rights.

Now a source close to the Jackson family claims that child welfare officials came to Jackson's Beverly Hills Mansion on Friday. The source tells ABC News that Jackson's three children were interviewed, as well as their nannies and nurses. Jackson was apparently home at the time.

California child welfare officials wouldn't comment saying al investigations are confidential. Some attorneys say this could be the first step to see if the children should stay with Jackson.

Jackson's critics have long suggested he may be an unfit father. After seeing this British documentary last February, child welfare advocate Gloria Gruber sent a formal complaint herself to the Santa Barbara DA saying "Jackson has raised enough red flags to be concerned about protecting the welfare of children with whom he comes in contact, including his own."

According to the British Tabloid Debbie Rowe says Jackson has shown "poor judgment by saying it is acceptable for him to sleep in the same bed with children.""

In previous interviews Jackson has vowed to fight to keep his children.

Title on another article about this:

"Jackson: The Kid Is Not His Son"

I love that.

Well....I have to say that this should not be shocking to anyone....

Neither one of the two kids that Debbie Rowe gave birth to had any sign of being interracial....

None of this even remotely surprises me at all...I figured that out long ago...

I find it surprising that she came forward now...has she even had contact with these kids? I hope so...or I might feel she is also unfit...if she chose to take money and leave never seeing those kids...that would make me really mad....how could a mother do that?

But I am ahead of myself since I dont know if that is the case....

Does anyone know if she has had contact with them all this time?

Well that interview after the one with that pommy indian guy, she said that she had not seen them, or hardly saw them. Michael has told the children they don't have a mother because Debbie said she had the children as a "gift" for Michael and wanted them to be his.

Like Mystic says, it is SOOOO obvious those children don't have a drop of black blood in them.

I think she has come forward now because she is Jewish and wants the children brought up as Jew's. She is worried about the effect the Nation of Islam is having on the children now that Michael has shacked up with them.

I think any woman who sells her children and then disappears from thier lives should not be able to get temporary custody. That's like a woman giving up a baby for adoption and then 6 years later, filing for custody. It's happened before, but it's not healthy for the kids.

As for MJ, I don't know that his kids should be taken away, but I can't deny that they will be emotionally warped in their perception of self image because their father is constantly mutilating his own image, and forces the children to cover their faces whenever they go out. I'm telling you now, they're going to be screwed up when they become adults!

A snippet from another article:

"A British tabloid says that Jackson's ex-wife, Debbie Rowe, has filed legal papers to seek legal custody of Jackson's children. According to the tabloid, Michael Jackson is not the biological father of two of his three kids and Rowe was artificially inseminated with anonymously donated sperm.

In response, Rowe told KNBC Monday that these claims are "a malicious, pathetic pack of lies." In previous interviews, Jackson has claimed that he's the one who fathered two of his three children. "

So I don't know if it's even true that she has filed for custody. So many lies to get through before you get the truth, and even then you don't know if it is the truth or just more lies. Who knows?

she signed a contract giving him sole custody. MJ gave her millions of dollars. to me that looks like a sale in the technical sense.
if it was a regular joe and and jane, neither of them would have custody of those kids. they would be wards of the state by now.

An unconfirmed report on one of the TV Shows (can't remember way back) said Debbie got $3 to $ 30 Million for the two kids. That thing you folks called gift is just a matter of semantics. I think Debbie get's it in installments.

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_010.jpghttp://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_007.jpg http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_001.jpgSince they were married for a couple of years, they might have gotten intimate a few times while raising the two together.

Yeah I have to agree with Mystic and Larke on this. It just seems strange that a woman would be artificially insiminated to bear two kids, divorce and then never have contact with the children? It's bizarre. The only way you could have that kind of detachment from the children you gave birth is if there were no relationship and you were merely a serogate mother.

<<< Though somehow I doubt it.....>>>

Like the other girls he sees? Those inside Neverland said Jacko likes women. I had posted a post on another thread from Rita Cosby where this other boy whom had slept at Neverland with Jacko (not in his bed) where Elatab said MJ has all kinda female friends that come to meet him (ahah!) for some romantic sessions. These were told to him as nurses, nannies, gal fridays etc You can figure the rest out.

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_brooke_022.jpghttp://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_020.jpghttp://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_mj-lisa_053.jpgHey, he tried romance with Brooke Shields, Lisa Marie Presley and they dumped him, right? Lisa said no kids - Jacko and Lisa divorced quickly.

Ken NJ said this in post #23 :
[B] The facts are that Jacko loves his three kids dearly. People make fun of him for putting the Muslim face veils on their kids. Hey, that's his preference. Why don't the interviewers ask Jacko that reason instead of all the dumb speculations?

Muslim Veils? Are you serious? Those masks with all the feathers and stuff on them arent muslim veils Ken. Are you sure you are seeing the same things as everyone else or do you purposely turn your head to the truth?


Now you folks seem to be attacking Debbie for not keeping her kids? Maybe the nurse felt sorry for him and wanted to give him the kids that she doesn't want to have in her lifetime. Anyone think Jacko held a gun to her head and said "This is a stickup; give me the kids." Then kicked Debbie out to the curb?

Thats right I do that...as a mother myself I have a hard time with the fact that anyone can contract their kids out for money and then come back years later and want them back. Its totally sick! And if she didnt want to have kids in her lifetime, then why is she wanting them now? And if she didnt want them in her lifetime then why the marital rouse? Why not just have them and give them to him from the start without the marriage? (not really questions to be answered, more of statements than anything)

How about Jacko wanting to make a baby with best musical talent with Lisa Marie or some smart kids from some surrogate sperm bank?

BUT he didnt have kids with Lisa Marie because that marriage was a lie....

And if he wanted musical talent in his kids...he would have used his own "donation."

As for kids being smart...that comes from eduation and raising....just because a man is smart doesnt mean his children are gonna be geniuses...normal people have genius kids....sperm donation from a smart man doesnt mean naturally smart children....

I think you are really stretching this....unfortunately its not working.

<<< Personally I think MJ is gay, and there is nothing wrong with it, but I think he is having problems coming to terms with it. Tatum O' Neal gave a great story about MJ when they dated...she said he wouldnt even go near her sexually. >>>

How about bi-sexual? Does any really care what his lifestyle is? Who gives? Let him live it the way he wants it.

<<< So yes...I think this relationship with Debbie Rowe was a farce and nothing more... You can post all the pictures you want of MJ with other woman...and it means nothing.....So....getting back to the topic at hand...I still dont see either one of them as being parents that are fit to raise kids. >>>

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_021.jpgI don't think half the parents in this world should criticize other parents on fitness. It's very subjective. Are there such a thing as Professional Parents?

<<< Lisa Marie even said that she married him be cause he promised to get her a singing contract...basically that was all a lie too. >>>

Lisa wanted record mogul contacts. So he marries Jacko. That makes lots of sense. Then the two annuled the marriage quickly.

[i]Ken NJ said this in post #25 :[/i]
[B]How about bi-sexual? Does any really care what his lifestyle is? Who gives? Let him live it the way he wants it.

He should live the way he wants...and no I dont care about his lifestyle...but if he is having problems coming to terms with it, he is interrupting other peoples lives in the meantime, and that I dont think is fair.

I don't think half the parents in this world should criticize other parents on fitness. It's very subjective. Are there such a thing as Professional Parents?

People who sell their kids are not fit to be a parent...a real parent wouldnt sell their children, although personally I have nothing against surrogate parents...but this was taken over the line of what surrogate parents do....they lied about marriage to gain money and children....when he could have easily have done it normal like other people who hire surrogates....

Now she wants them back...that makes her not fit...and he with his "mental state of childhood" is also not fit...he cant even feed his kid properly...I saw it and it was scary!

Lisa wanted record mogul contacts. So he marries Jacko. That makes lots of sense. Then the two annuled the marriage quickly.

Yes...I know this....it was another marriage of onvenience for both of them.

<<< Muslim Veils? Are you serious? Those masks with all the feathers and stuff on them arent muslim veils Ken. Are you sure you are seeing the same things as everyone else or do you purposely turn your head to the truth? >>>

Nope, not serious! Jacko is trying to keep the kids faces from public at times. He's not Muslim anyway, but more Jovhanna Witness (sp?) Who knows why; we all know Jacko is wacko. Maybe his kids like it. Why should people make fun of them? It's another outfit, right?

<<< Thats right I do that...as a mother myself I have a hard time with the fact that anyone can contract their kids out for money and then come back years later and want them back. Its totally sick! And if she didnt want to have kids in her lifetime, then why is she wanting them now? And if she didnt want them in her lifetime then why the marital rouse? Why not just have them and give them to him from the start without the marriage? (not really questions to be answered, more of statements than anything) >>>

Debbie is NOT reneging on her custody agreement. The media was messing with their ratings, to yank your chain. Why fall for it? Doesn't matter. Just more pre-trial bias to make Jacko appear guilty of "something."

<<< BUT he didnt have kids with Lisa Marie because that marriage was a lie....And if he wanted musical talent in his kids...he would have used his own "donation." As for kids being smart...that comes from eduation and raising....just because a man is smart doesnt mean his children are gonna be geniuses...normal people have genius kids....sperm donation from a smart man doesnt mean naturally smart children....>>>

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_010.jpg http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_017.jpgJacko did with one of his kids...not sure which? One or two might be his; there's no DNA testing we heard of yet. Perhaps Prince Michael II was from his own donation. Or maybe Jacko did penetrated that time accidentally.

Ken NJ said this in post #27 :
Nope, not serious! Jacko is trying to keep the kids faces from public at times. He's not Muslim anyway, but more Jovhanna Witness (sp?) Who knows why; we all know Jacko is wacko. Maybe his kids like it. Why should people make fun of them? It's another outfit, right?

Glad you werent serious...

Another outfit?

Debbie is NOT reneging on her custody agreement. The media was messing with their ratings, to yank your chain. Why fall for it? Doesn't matter. Just more pre-trial bias to make Jacko appear guilty of "something."

How do you know its not true? If she said she is wanting custody, then Im assuming she is wanting custody....if she is quoted how is it that its a lie?

Jacko did with one of his kids...not sure which? One or two might be his; there's no DNA testing we heard of yet. Perhaps Prince Michael II was from his own donation. Or maybe Jacko did penetrated that time accidentally.

Accidentally huh?

maybe one of them is his real kid.....but I still doubt it....NONE of them look even remotely biracial....and one kid I can see, but now we are talking three kids that dont have ANY black to them? No way.

<<< He should live the way he wants...and no I dont care about his lifestyle...but if he is having problems coming to terms with it, he is interrupting other peoples lives in the meantime, and that I dont think is fair. >>>

Is there a law against fairness? Should he be guilty of being "unfair?" Does it really matter? Why do you care so much? He didn't adopt your kids, right?

<<< People who sell their kids are not fit to be a parent...a real parent wouldnt sell their children, although personally I have nothing against surrogate parents...but this was taken over the line of what surrogate parents do....they lied about marriage to gain money and children....when he could have easily have done it normal like other people who hire surrogates....Now she wants them back...that makes her not fit...and he with his "mental state of childhood" is also not fit...he cant even feed his kid properly...I saw it and it was scary! >>>

Holy Moley Mystic. You saw him feed on TV and from that concluded Jacko ain't a fit father? What makes it scarey? Because he dangle the kid over the balcony? It was a moment of bad judgement. The kid wasn't harmed from eating either. Compared that with kids who have nothing to eat around the world, does that make all the billions of parents bad too? Were you put on this world to be their savior? Get with it, Mystic! I'm laughing a mile a minute.

<<< Yes...I know this....it was another marriage of onvenience for both of them.>>>

Okay, we agree as bopsie twins again.

Ken NJ said this in post #29 :

Is there a law against fairness? Should he be guilty of being "unfair?" Does it really matter? Why do you care so much? He didn't adopt your kids, right?

Im not talking law...Im talking my opinion only....and does it matter? To those kids it does...and why do I care? because as the public we should care when children are taken advantage of.

Holy Moley Mystic. You saw him feed and from that concluded ain't a fit father? What makes it scarey? Because he dangle the kid over the balcony? It was a moment of bad judgement. The kid wasn't harmed from eating either. Compared that with kids who have nothing to eat around the world, does that make all the billions of parents bad too? Were you put on this world to be their savior? Get with it, Mystic! I'm laughing a mile a minute.

No I didnt conclude it based on that only Ken.....but it was scary nonetheless. I forgot all about the kid over the balconey...that was uncalled for.

How many moments of bad judgment does someone get in their lifetime before they are eventually called on it? To me it seems that you are giving MJ too many of these "moments."

I am no more a savior of the children around the world as you are the savior of justice for the rightly and wrongly accused.

Okay, we agree as bopsie twins again.

Another miracle.

<<< How do you know its not true? If she said she is wanting custody, then Im assuming she is wanting custody....if she is quoted how is it that its a lie? >>>

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_012.jpgBecause NO one interviewed Debbie Rowe and seen/heard it from the horse's mouth, just hearsay and gossip. You can't believe all media rantings for ratings. Did she actually filed legal papers for custody in California the proper jurisdiction? NOPE! Did she hold a press conference? NOPE! You were yank!

<<< Accidentally huh? >>>

Perhaps, again maybe Jacko did with one of his kids...not sure which? One or two might be his; there's no DNA testing we heard of yet. Perhaps Prince Michael II was from his own donation.

<<< maybe one of them is his real kid.....but I still doubt it....NONE of them look even remotely biracial....and one kid I can see, but now we are talking three kids that dont have ANY black to them? No way. >>>

Come on Mystic, use your common sense and stop flipping the race card. Jacko has a skin condition and his melatonin (sp?) is out of wack. It's very likely he would produce a light color skin baby. Some black couples on rare occassions produce an albino with entirely white skin and blonde hair offspring. This is a scientific fact.

Ken NJ said this in post #31 :
[B]Because NO one interviewed Debbie Rowe and seen/heard it from the horse's mouth, just hearsay and gossip. You can't believe all media rantings for ratings. Did she actually filed legal papers for custody in California the proper jurisdiction? NOPE! Did she hold a press conference? NOPE! You were yank!

Possibly....we will see though.

Perhaps, again maybe Jacko did with one of his kids...not sure which? One or two might be his; there's no DNA testing we heard of yet. Perhaps Prince Michael II was from his own donation.

Possibly...again we will see.

Come on Mystic, use your common sense and stop flipping the race card. Jacko has a skin condition and his melatonin (sp?) is out of wack. It's very likely he would produce a light color skin baby. Some black couples on rare occassions produce an albino with entirely white skin and blonde hair offspring. This is a scientific fact.

Ken...just because someone has this disease doesnt mean that their genes stop coding for being black....and yes I know that people have albino children.....but there is a difference between albino and naturally "white" children.

When this disease occurs, they still pass on genes that are black Ken....maybe just maybe the child will get the dominant gene for that disease, but it will be known because they will be black with patchy skin also eventually in their lifetime...but for the sake of DNA they will be black....or at least have SOME traits of being black....in this case, there were none...SORRY...try again!

<<< Im not talking law...Im talking my opinion only....and does it matter? To those kids it does...and why do I care? because as the public we should care when children are taken advantage of. >>>

No one is taking advantage of his kids. Jacko has custody and he's been deemed a fit parent. The Department of Youths and Services completed an investigation as a result of Gloria Allred's complaint representing your interests (hahaha) and they interviewed his two kids along with Jacko and all the people at Neverland..... guess what? Offical Report: "Unfounded"
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/sophypic.jpg Dr. Charles Sophy, a high-ranking DCFS official Issued Clean Report.
Extra, Extra, Extra....What will Mad-dog DAs in Santa Barbara do now? Will Sneddon fold his hand and retire after 10 years and none of the 100 current leads developed into smoking gun evidence that corroborate molestation charges? Two Los Angeles Government Departments Cleared Jacko of Molestation Charges <---Just Click Here

<<< No I didnt conclude it based on that only Ken.....but it was scary nonetheless. I forgot all about the kid over the balconey...that was uncalled for. How many moments of bad judgment does someone get in their lifetime before they are eventually called on it? To me it seems that you are giving MJ too many of these "moments." >>>

That's because I believe in protecting individual rights. And I don't believe in gossips or the media yanking viewer's emotional chain. Gives me a good laugh.

<<< I am no more a savior of the children around the world as you are the savior of justice for the rightly and wrongly accused. >>>

Okay, one small step for mankind....

Ken NJ said this in post #33 :
No one is taking advantage of his kids. Jacko has custody and he's been deemed a fit parent. The Department of Youths and Services completed an investigation as a result of Gloria Allred's complaint representing your interests (hahaha) and they interviewed his two kids along with Jacko and all the people at Neverland..... guess what? Offical Report: "Unfounded"

I already argued this one...

DFS has stated MANY times that reports were unfounded only to see thse reports become bad because the child was eventually abused or killed...

You are against the government in all cases unless it fits your convenience? DFS is part of the government...and in many cases, they DONT get it right....what makes you think they got it in this case? Oh...I know..cause you side 100 percent with MJ....

Their story isnt always fact...another reality you turn your head to.

<<< Ken...just because someone has this disease doesnt mean that their genes stop coding for being black....and yes I know that people have albino children.....but there is a difference between albino and naturally "white" children. >>>

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_007.jpg Hope you know that albinos are just a rare phenomena in blacks. Some studies have shown that they are still black in the gene pool despite white outward appearance. Darwin's Theory of Evolution therefore has been refuted on basis of the lack of any biological means . < --- Just Click Here

<<< DFS has stated MANY times that reports were unfounded only to see thse reports become bad because the child was eventually abused or killed... >>>

Oh, okay.... you want to do a better job at DFS? So change jobs and go from criminalists to a social worker. I'm sure you would do a very good job there in critiquing their work products. This way you can show that you care for the children in your venue. Still not too late to meet your calling in life.

<<< You are against the government in all cases unless it fits your convenience? DFS is part of the government...and in many cases, they DONT get it right....what makes you think they got it in this case? Oh...I know..cause you side 100 percent with MJ.... >>>

Because NOT all governmental agencies are total screw-ups. Some do a good job, then a few doesn't. Like any profession. The difference is that we pay them to do a good job. They hold the monopoly on that trade. I don't dislike all the public departments. There are good ones out there too..... I venture to guess you tried doing a good job when back at work. If your department do a good job, we the public will back good government. When they do bad job, we exercise First Amenment here.

<<< Their story isnt always fact...another reality you turn your head to. >>>

The DFS produced an official report and said "Unfounded" to Gloria Allred's claim of child abuse. It even looked into molestation of Gavin Arvizo and considered Janet Arvizo's allegations. Result: Nothing found to support the allegation of molestation.

Gotta go and shovel snow again.

Ken NJ said this in post #36 :
[B]&lt;&lt;&lt; Ken...just because someone has this disease doesnt mean that their genes stop coding for being black....and yes I know that people have albino children.....but there is a difference between albino and naturally "white" children. &gt;&gt;&gt;

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_007.jpg Hope you know that albinos are just a rare phenomena in blacks. Some studies have shown that they are still black in the gene pool despite white outward appearance.

Ken...do you know what an albino looks like? That baby is not albino...albinoism effects everything...hair, eyes, skin, etc...

This child has dark hair...he is not albino!!

Read the above. How do you know right off, there's no traces of black in the kid's genes? You don't know that without a dna test.

I said I could go with one...but there are three have absolutely NO signs of black at all....

Hey...if you wanna believe thats your choice...I however have my own mind and think what I want from the obvious.

Ken NJ said this in post #37 :
Oh, okay.... you want to do a better job at DFS? So change jobs and go from criminalists to a social worker. I'm sure you would do a very good job there in critiquing their work products. This way you can show that you care for the children in your venue. Still not too late to meet your calling in life. :lol :

i never said anything about wanting to change how they do things...I dont think they are as great as you want to believe they are.....if you want to pretend that they dont make mistakes thats your choice....Im a realist unlike yourself.

Because NOT all governmental agencies are total screw-ups. Some do a good job, then a few doesn't. Like any profession. The difference is that we pay them to do a good job. They hold the monopoly on that trade. I don't dislike all the public departments. There are good ones out there too..... I venture to guess you tried doing a good job when back at work. If your department do a good job, we the public will back good government. When they do bad job, we exercise First Amenment here.

And you say DFS is the one that is more perfect....

I suggest a little homework for you is in order here.

The DFS produced an official report and said "Unfounded" to Gloria Allred's claim of child abuse. It even looked into molestation of Gavin Arvizo and considered Janet Arvizo's allegations. Result: Nothing found to support the allegation of molestation.

Okay then I guess DFS is right...hell they are never wrong..what am I thinking? I never said they were definitely wrong or right...what I am saying is that they have been known to be wrong before so I dont take it on pure authority that they are right in this case too...nor do I take it they were wrong either....I am suggesting that you shouldnt base all your beliefs on a place that isnt always thorough...as has been proven.

<<< Ken...do you know what an albino looks like? That baby is not albino...albinoism effects everything...hair, eyes, skin, etc... This child has dark hair...he is not albino!! ???

http://www.aim-uganda.org/images/photos/jinja06.jpg http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_017.jpg
So the Jacko's kid's hair hasn't turned blonde yet.

<<< I said I could go with one...but there are three have absolutely NO signs of black at all....Hey...if you wanna believe thats your choice...I however have my own mind and think what I want from the obvious. >>>

Okay, you can go with ONE, perhaps Prince Michael II ?
The other two aren't. So we in agreement once again.

<<< i never said anything about wanting to change how they do things...I dont think they are as great as you want to believe they are.....if you want to pretend that they dont make mistakes thats your choice....Im a realist unlike yourself. >>>

I never said any governmental agencies NEVER do make mistakes. In fact, mistakes are common. Sometimes just as much or more than private industry. It's just that THIS DFS, DA Sneddon has to overcome during the trial. And that might not be possible. The report makes Jacko NOT guilty.


<<< And you say DFS is the one that is more perfect....I suggest a little homework for you is in order here. >>>

They have their share of screw-ups as I said earlier. Jersey just had one with many kids unaccounted for. Missing and killed. Florida has their share as well as every state in the nation, including California. There is no proof the Arvizo allegation is credible since own DFS refuted their allegations of molestation.

<<< Okay then I guess DFS is right...hell they are never wrong..what am I thinking? I never said they were definitely wrong or right...what I am saying is that they have been known to be wrong before so I dont take it on pure authority that they are right in this case too...nor do I take it they were wrong either....I am suggesting that you shouldnt base all your beliefs on a place that isnt always thorough...as has been proven. >>>

Why don't you prove DFS is wrong in this instance? The DFS report is "ipso facto." Show me your proof, Mystic?

<<< I cant...but I never said they were wrong....I keep telling you that! All I said was not to base all your conclusions on what they say...just because they said it was unfounded doesnt mean it was...doesnt mean it wasnt...Thats was my point....Saying that they were wrong in that case wasnt my point...cause I dont know. Hope that makes it more clear to you. >>>

Very clear this time. But it goes against people with reason - Innocent until proven guilty. So you're entitled to your opinion.

The evidence on the table now is the DFS report: Unfounded. Makes Jacko innocent today, yesterday....and until you can prove it tomorrow, Jacko is currently innocent. Did I make that clearer for you too.

[i]Ken NJ said this in post #44 :[/i]
[B]I'm trying....but you're very demanding. Somethings cannot be explained. You say no black genes; I said possible. See the albino picture you demanded. You didn't take my suggestion that no dna tests have denied Jacko paternity.

Its not possible! That kid is not an albino...you dont just become albino...you are born that way from a dominant defective gene....

Its not like the disease he has...albinoism doesnt come later in life...its there when born.

And ive seen pictures of the kids since then...they are not albino!!!

Got one for Xmas. Ran out of two-cyle oil and need to get some gas. Big place to clear. If I don't get out of here, I'm gonna get in trouble, because of you.

[background] "What's that dear, I'm coming...."

You should listen to your mom more often and have those things ready when needed! Oh...I forgot you cut those mommy apron strings...

Are you married? I dont know why but that surprises me.... Not in a bad way...just surprised thats all.

The word "albinism" refers to a group of inherited conditions. People with albinism have little or no pigment in their eyes, skin, or hair. They have inherited genes that do not make the usual amounts of a pigment called melanin.

One person in 17,000 has some type of albinism. Albinism affects people from all races. Most children with albinism are born to parents who have normal hair and eye colour for their ethnic backgrounds.


http://www.knowlton.clara.net/family/Albinism/bee_birth1_s.jpg

http://www.knowlton.clara.net/family/Albinism/bee83_lux7_s.jpg

Does this look like MJ's kid? I think not.

I still say leave MJ alone. That Debbie Rowe character is really shady looking. Actually, I can't tell if she's a man or a woman. They may not be her kids either.

schmiggens said this in post #49 :
Hang on .... myabe their eyes haven't "TURNED" albino yet?

LMAO!!!!!!!!

Ill second that laughter!

I think it's great that you are so willing to stand up for your hero KenNJ, but you have to admit, you are fooling yourself if you belive any of his children are actually albino. It is totally obvious they are just "white" children.

VERY obvious!

KenNJ, you seem to have the knowledge and be good at finding stuff - do you know if he is actually on their birth certificates as the father?

Ill bet he does know....he probably knows MJ's social security number too!! Just kidding ken!

And does anyone know the race of the mother of "blanket" (blanket - jesus christ come on!)?

Good one Schmiggens! ROFTL

Last I could remember the blanket was kind of see through....maybe Casper is the mother??....LOL!!! (bad joke)

OH...we are talking about the baby named blanket (Whats that all about)...maybe his other kids should be named mask 1 and mask 2 (another bad joke).

Seriously...I have no idea who the other mother is...I dont think her identity has ever been revealed...but its probably safe to say that she isnt 100 percent African American.

<<< Its not possible! That kid is not an albino...you dont just become albino...you are born that way from a dominant defective gene....Its not like the disease he has...albinoism doesnt come later in life...its there when born. And ive seen pictures of the kids since then...they are not albino!!! >>>

An albino is one where the offsprings took a radical departure from BOTH parents who are black by parentage. In this situation, Debbie is WHITE and you keep on saying NOT one trace of black genetics. How can you tell with half white undisputed and the other half untested by DNA that the baby has Jacko 's Jesus Juice?

<<< You should listen to your mom more often and have those things ready when needed! Oh...I forgot you cut those mommy apron strings... Are you married? I dont know why but that surprises me.... Not in a bad way...just surprised thats all. >>>

If I answer this off-the-topic question, KJ will be after us for going astray again. Just like Delta who went further with nurturing the DA DAYS LATER on her own and then comes back to blame me again. So we have to be clever to get by the posting police here.

The answer is: Umm, Uhhhhh, MMMMMM, Hmmmmmmmm......... NOT able to tell.

<<< That ALWAYS been clear! But I NEVER said he wasnt innocent...you keep thinking Im saying that and Im not...I said I didnt know because I dont know what they have.... >>>

If you've been clear that you think so far there isn't enough evidence to make MJ guilty, then that means he's NOT guilty. Shouldn't say that MJ must prove himself innocent.

<<< Why must I keep repeating that? I thought you would have understood that by now! >>>

That way, it's a reminder to you so you don't start saying/posting that MJ is guilty of "something." Where's the evidence again?

<<< Hasn't turned blonde yet!!!!?????? WTF!!!!!?????
Albino, as mystic says, is there from birth. Like the pictures she posted, it is apparent from not only their hair and skin but their eyes. I have seen pictures of MJ's children and they do not have the eyes of an albino. Hang on .... myabe their eyes haven't "TURNED" albino yet? LMAO!!!!!!!! >>>

http://cache.eonline.com/News/Photos/j/jackson.rowe.919.jpg Okay, I answered above about INTER-racial characteristics because NOT both parents are black to cause an Albino as you expect. That means the kids' mother's gene characteristics are dominant instead. The kid's eyes matched Debbie's nice eyes. They don't have to be Michael Jackson's eyes.

<<< I think it's great that you are so willing to stand up for your hero KenNJ, but you have to admit, you are fooling yourself if you belive any of his children are actually albino. It is totally obvious they are just "white" children. I agree with mystic as well when she says I can understand maybe one child having light coloured skin, but for all three of them to be white, I cannot accept that MJ is the biological father. >>>

I defend the down-trodden, not necessarily heros. They temporarily have fallen by their lapse of judgement. Everyone cast stones at them, like Jacko, Kobe, SP, etc. So far, you throw the farthest from across the ocean.

<<< KenNJ, you seem to have the knowledge and be good at finding stuff - do you know if he is actually on their birth certificates as the father? And does anyone know the race of the mother of "blanket" (blanket - jesus christ come on!)? >>>

Off the cuff, yes. He has legal documents on each kid. But I don't have the proofs nor the source to provide that to you, except below in quote. Therefore, that's merely circumstantial. It's understood that Michael Jackson has the birth cirtificates. One might be issued out of this country and then he had them reissued by the U.S. government consulate and U.S. Immigration. Don't know for sure, but MJ is the legal guardians. Read the first two births by Debbie < --- Just Click Here

Could it be an accidental penetration? Some say artificial insemination. Okay, here is Debbie's first birth to Prince Michael (One) where Michael and Debbie rushed into a wedding few months before the birth of their first heir to the King of Pop. Read the E! Online News Article < -- Just Click Here

michael is only being put up on these molestation charges due to the fact he is displaying something different. the minute he was open with children being in his bed... the media pounced on him. i use to cuddle with my dad. and in this case he was a father figure to a lot of children. he didnt have a childhood, and im not saying what he is doing is normal but... define normal? i love kids... im not gonna sleep with them and feed them hot milk and cookies but, is that wrong to love children. its there carefree tactics that make them appealing to michael.

<<< Sorry KenNJ, I am having a bad day, and even though I know you are going to rip me apart on this one, I had to vent. >>>

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Okay Smiggens, everyone's entitled to a "bad-hair day." How about giving us in U.S. the scoop from Australian press with what Mystic called the Jacko marriage ruse? I've not been to your beautiful country yet, but did Debbie and Jacko really get marry there? What's the local scoop there about The Jacko wedding and local marriage rules? Does Australia require marriage certificates to be issued? You've been quiet lately. Kids got blonde hair like Mommy.

I don't really remember much about when they got married, yes it happened here in Australia, but on the other side of the country from me. (everything happens on the other side of the country to me)

I do know that when MJ was here in Perth, he stayed at our best hotel (of course) and reportedly was seen a few times with Debbie around the place. Just seen shopping together or something I think and not as a couple, just as people, I think at this time, no one really thought she was his "girlfriend" just another aide so it was not big news. I don't know much more than that.

This was all before the news broke that she was pregnant. They went back to Sydney and got married there I think (probably everything happens in Sydney). Thats when she (and the pregnancy) became big news and the few photos of her with Michael in Perth became the big bucks.

You don't need a license to get married in Australia, but they issue you with a Marriage Certificate after the ceremony, it has to be signed by the groom, bride, preist and two witnesses, usually the witnesses are the head bridesmaid (I think in US you call them the matron of honour) and the best man.

Somewhere a copy of thmarriage certificate would have to have been lodged with the registrar of births deaths and marriages, but is probably locked in some "celebrity vault" or something. I think after 20 years all government documents, etc go on public record and the public can access them. Well its been 7 years so far, so in 13 years I will see what i can find for you KenNJ. LOL.

It was big news that they got married here, but I don't think they ever released any details about the wedding or anything. I certainly would remember if I had seen wedding pictures or a marriage certificate or anything like that.