Bush Kills Innocent Civilians And Expects The Iraqis To Be On Americas Side

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raq: U.S. Missile Kills 58 in Baghdad

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's information minister said at least 58 people were killed Friday in a crowded market in northwest Baghdad by what local officials called a coalition bombing.

The market was strewn with wreckage and there were bloodstains on a sidewalk. Crowds of mourners wailed and blood-soaked children's slippers sat on the street not far from a crater blasted into the ground.

The U.S. Central Command in Qatar said it was looking into the report. Iraqi officials have blamed U.S. forces for explosions at another market that killed 14 people on Wednesday. The Pentagon (news - web sites) had denied targeting the neighborhood.

Early Saturday, a strong explosion shook the center of Baghdad, and it appeared to be located on the west bank of the Tigris River. Many government departments are located in the area, including the Information Ministry.

Iraqi state television, meanwhile, said three Iraqis had been arrested for spying for the United States, alleging they were assigned to inspect areas of Baghdad that had been attacked to determine if they needed to be hit again.

The report identified the men as Ibrahim Abdel Qader, Ghareeb Ahmed Hamadeh and Hussein Shahed. Qader was quoted as saying he was given about two pounds of TNT from "foreigners — Americans," and Shahed said he was recruited by an American he identified as "Gen. Mike" who was from the CIA (news - web sites).

Information Minister Mohammed Saeed Sahhaf said 58 people were killed in the market explosion, and said the number was likely to rise because many others were wounded. There were conflicting reports, however, on the number of casualties.

Haqi Ismail Razouq, director of al-Nour Hospital, where the dead and injured were taken, put the death toll at 30 and the number of injured at 47; surgeon Issa Ali Ilwan said 47 were killed and 50 injured. Witnesses said they counted as many as 50 bodies.

There was no immediate explanation for the discrepancy.

"Why do they makes mistakes like these if they have the technology?" asked Abdel-Hadi Adai, who said he lost his 27-year-old brother-in-law Najah Abdel-Rida in the blast. "There are no military installations anywhere near here."

Sahhaf said civilians were being targeted because Iraqi troops had defeated coalition forces in battles

"These are cowardly air raids," he told Lebanon's Al-Hayat LBC satellite television.

Most of the injuries were caused by shrapnel, said Dr. Ahmed Sufian.

"The women and children were screaming," he said. "We were overwhelmed. What will they hit next? This hospital?"

The Al-Nasr market is in the working-class district of al-Shoala. Witnesses said the bombing took place when the market was at its busiest, around 6 p.m. They said they saw an aircraft flying high overhead just before the blast.

The explosion left a crater the size of a coffee table on a sidewalk in front of a row of food and other shops. Curiously, nothing was blackened in the immediate surrounding area.

Water was seeping from ruptured pipes and corrugated iron was dangling from the roofs of the damaged shops.



A red Volkswagen was parked only a few yards from the crater, peppered with what could have been flying shrapnel.

At the hospital, relatives of the dead and wounded wept hysterically and yelled the names of their loved ones. Many searched for relatives or friends.

Speaking from his hospital bed, Ali Kheidir Saleh, 23, said he was in a house near the market when the blast brought down part of the house.

Another of the injured, 52-year-old construction contractor Salman Zaki Kazim, was struck by shrapnel in his hip. He was shopping for a TV antenna, accompanied by his granddaughter and son-in-law, at the time of the bombing. Neither was hurt.

At the scene of the bombing, women in black chadors were sobbing outside homes where some of the victims lived. Men cried and hugged each other and participants in a funeral procession shouted the Muslim creed, "There is no God but God," as they walked through the market.

Down the road, residents gathered at a Shiite Muslim mosque, crowded around seven wooden coffins draped in blankets. Some of the men stood silently. Others sobbed into trembling hands. In the background, women cried, "Oh God! Oh God!"

Another witness, Omar Ismail, a 35-year-old engineer who witnessed the explosion, said body parts were strewn across the street.

"Why do they hate the Iraqi people so much?" he asked.

Explosions in the capital late Thursday night and early Friday were aimed at disrupting communications between Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s leadership and his military, U.S. officials said. Airstrikes also targeted positions of the Republican Guard — Saddam's best-trained, best-equipped fighters — in a ring outside the city.

Sahhaf said the overnight airstrikes had killed seven people in Baghdad and wounded 92. The Arab television network Al-Jazeera reported eight people were killed at Baath party headquarters in bombing Friday afternoon.

The airstrikes hit at or near the Information and Planning ministries and at telephone installations — "as if government buildings are empty of human beings and there are no civilians in them," Sahhaf said.

The attack gutted a seven-story telephone exchange building in an area called Al-Alwya.

You should consider changing your name from:

Search4Truth

to

FoulDirtDigger

or

ManureSprayer

Are you 10 years old?

can you even respond with an intellegent comment?

Its not even funny, i come to here to have serious discussions

Mr Search4Truth go ahead , cause what you have said is the truth , but there are some bloody andworthless pinhead don't accept the facts and pursue uttering inflammatory swear words. Good luck my friend !!

Thank you aladine
I will never stop!

and Rambo, that article is from YAHOO, not al-jazeera

I reckon Bush's administration thought that America would be forgiven civilian casualties... wonder if Mr Rumsfeld was ever right in what he thought would happen. (Iraqis fierce resistance, Turkey's refusal, War beeing longer than expected, Un's refusal, etc...)

Rambo: please leave this forum.

frenchfries: please stick the eiffel tower up your bootie.

Furthermore, thanks to Bush's administration, a bloody dictator is about to become a HERO for a lot of muslims..

when i first joined this forum, i posted a quote from George Bush Sr on attacking Iraq

"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinable urban guerilla war, it could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater instability."

GUESS LIKE ITS COMING TO REALITY

I am afraid Bush familly won't pay attention to u, even if it seem syou were right.
Let's remain positiv. This war will perhaps help Arabs to create a real nation.
European leaders already understood the lesson, and this will at least lead to a strong european community.

I think I'm going to vomit.

Tell those terrorist 'leaders' that they can take their 'jihad' and shove it up their sorry booties.

Rambo,

dommage, you don't understand french ..... for sure you look like that:

wow, nowar what a good peice of evidence you have there, i mean what a great picture

and i doubt that 58 people were killed, this info is coming from the Iraqi prime minister, You think that he is a credible source? You all are stupider than a thought!!!!!!!

NO WAR AND EVERYBODY

PLEASE IGNORE THE 10 YEAR OLD KIDS

CAPS & RAMBO

YOU WON'T EVER GET AN INTELLEGENT RESPONSE FROM THEM

REMEMBER, LITTLE KIDS ALWAYS WANT ATTENTION

Oh brother more people on this thread who should go kiss Saddam's Bum.



Hats off to Caps and Rambo you guys rock.


The rest of you buggars talk nothing but
absolute bs. and rubbish.

Just to add my support to Search4truth, comments similar to the immature, arrogant and violent drivel from people like Rambo often put me off from replying in this forum. It feels like, 'why should I enter into debate with children'.

I truly hope one day people will see the WRONGNESS of killing and except all people as having similar feelings, irrespective of culture. Claims of defending before we are attacked or liberating (read forcing the evolution of a culture) are.......well if I was religious I would say sinful.

hey search, at least I don't lie, that was an Iraqi missle that killed those people, you idiot so don't go blaming the US as usual

I cant force you to see the wrongness of killing. If my comments are immature then thank goodness my immaturity allows me respect human evolution and to always say NO to killing. As a westerner in a democratic society I have the right to complain about what we do and do something about it whilst respecting another culture to find its own way and to come to their own conclusions but not in a time frame dictated by the fear and insecurity of america.
America, little history, little understanding of a need for history.
History will allow a future culture to understand the meaning of care and love (sorry if you dont like that word, if its childish, but I truly hope it makes sense to you one day.)

wonky your living in a perfect world, why don't you wake up and get into the real one, get a taste of reality

It wasnt a crisis until we went in. And , funnyily enough, niceness and understanding does solve things. Sometimes it takes time and patience, but it does work.Strange that.

So yes, we should have tried to be nice, not bombed, kept on being nice even if it took 10 years, 100 years otherwise we remain at square one. Why is harder to except saddam killing than it is for us to except us killing. Killing is killing no matter who is doing it.

I hope I used the word killing enough there, but I doubt it.

http://www.honaweb.com/bush/

All of your so called facts come from the info ministry of a lying killing tyrant. And the Network that Loves him. I will never listen to that Lying Scum Bag. He basicly craps out his mouth. I will just stick to the Red Cross statistics thank you.

Excuse me soldier blue--you talking about BUSH or HUSSEIN?

Saddam Hussein, of course.

duh! Of course I'm talking about Saddam Hussain. The Network that Loves him would be the Aljazeer Network. I noticed they never show the soldiers and civilians shaking hands and talking. They only show the negative.

Everyone needs someone to blame. You can try to beat up the U.S. all you want but, it still doesn't solve the problem of Saddam killing thousands of his own people, supporting Al Qaeda and Palistine suicide bombings.

You are worried about 58 Iraqi citizens?
There is no proof this was a coalition weopon and you know it. Sdaam will stop at nothing to win the media war. There is nothing that can be believed by any middle east media. They have only one thing on their mind. "This is about religion!".

Why aren't you worried about the human shields that Saddam is using or shooting his own people in the back, or gassing his own people or invading Iran or, or, or.

Go down to the Mosque and talk to the Iraqi people and get the real truth.

You want to protest? Protest the Islamic Fundamentaism that started this. Protest Saddam. Protest your own country for supporting the Saddam Regime.

If you do nothing but complain or have done nothing constructive
to bring resolve to your complaint, you shouldn't open you pie hole. Don't just talk, do something but, you better have your facts straight or you will wind up isolated just like Saddam.

Sadam kills civilians, so do you expect the Iraqi's to be on Sadams side?

Absolutley not. Many believe this is a normal life for Iraq and that it is part of the Saddam prosperity pact for all Iraqis.
We know different.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by USA1
[B]Everyone needs someone to blame. You can try to beat up the U.S. all you want but, it still doesn't solve the problem of Saddam killing thousands of his own people, supporting Al Qaeda and Palistine suicide bombings.

Whatever Saddam Hussein has done to his people--it's up to them to depose him not America. You are the aggressor! You would not listen to the UN--how right does that make the US--wrong, correct! The US is showing itself to be pathologically screwed-up in its attitude with the rest of the world. There are parallels in nature with Nazi Germany. "All power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". A propos your concern about the disgusting treatment of the Iraqis by Saddam--do you suppose that bombing them to dust is a suitable solution? America is becoming the loose cannon on a shaky ship in a stormy sea--sooner or later America will pollute or otherwise destroy this fragile globe. Butcher Bush makes Hussein seem like Francis of Assissi by comparison.

saddam is killing more of his own people than all of our soilders and allies will the whole war. I love how people like diogenes, robert135, and rest of the senseless anti-war whiners only have half of the info they need to base there unreal and biased opions. Saddam is a murder and will be killed and his family to and this is the best thing that could ever happen to iraq and the world. Stop the senseless exicutions,tortures,rapes and beatings. Been proven several times what he has done and still is doing. Sending (ordering) a carload of innicent women and children to die for a sadistic and very cruel and heartless man and regime. Go usa get him and free iraq. They the people of iraq are still dieing for the right of freedom for them and there country. While you all sit and pass judgement.

Why do the most violent and aggressive comments come from the same pro-war-ers, the ones that attempt, but fail, to justify their own people killing. Could there be a link ?

Maybe it is also time to start questioning people who will try to justify it, maybe the UN can sanction those that think killing is OK, and then maybe they will defy the UN and bomb themselves.

OK, its a bit silly, but really, justifying anyone killing, come on. I understand it makes you feel better when you can justify a view/friends who are fighting/political leaning, but it looks so sad and bleak for our so called advanced culture. Hope above hope you come to see the LONG TERM proper solutions to living on this planet together.

mtliveingtree

Perhaps you misquoted who you wanted to address, you might check out my other posts and this one again to discover my position.

you are right robert135 i am so sorry

It amazes me how people from other countries view America by the local TV news propaganda and by watching the Simpsons and Married with Children. They think this is American culture.

Do you think that America has prospered and grown to be the most powerful country in the world by “invading” other countries or by creating and watching TV shows? Get your head out of your butt and look around.

America has been independent for only 227 years. We are young and growing and incredibly dedicated to Freedom. America is teaming with millions of immigrants every year who want to live in Freedom and to be given a chance to practice their religion and raise a family without having to worry about aggression or persecution of any kind.

What you DON"T see are millions of Americans streaming to immigrate to Europe or Asia or the Middle East to live a better life.

Come and visit, but leave your left wing America hating attitude at home and you will be well accepted.

Freedom works.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by USA1
[B]It amazes me how people from other countries view America by the local TV news propaganda and by watching the Simpsons and Married with Children. They think this is American culture.

I've been to Boston, Plymouth and thereabouts--walked the length of Cape Cod with my feet in the sea, had a wonderful reception and bags of great hospitality from the folks there. Americans are very generous but they do get tetchy about a little criticism. I sure as hell don't agree things for the sake of sweetness and light--that would be false to everyone and myself.