| Posted by: Heatherhobbit | | Someone, please explain the Grey Havens to me. I read the book, and while I understand it a little, I don't have a full grasp of it. Do they sail off to a heaven place? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Shadow Stalker | | they sail off to valinor. its technically only accesible to elves who are dead, or who decide to sail there. but certain mortals are granted the priveledge of going there. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Shadow Stalker | | actually 1 mortal dude did...but then agian...he for some reason was accepted as an elf...don't know why... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Yes that was in the Silmarillion, but I don't remember who it was.
Oh, they also call Valinor the Blessed Realm. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Heatherhobbit | |
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Shadow Stalker said this in post #2 :
they sail off to valinor. its technically only accesible to elves who are dead, or who decide to sail there. but certain mortals are granted the priveledge of going there. |
The ring bearers, right?
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| Posted by: Shadow Stalker | | its a land of ponies and pink and...ok so its not... 
Valinor is where the Valar, and their servants the Maiar dwell. elves that have passed over the sea, or died go there too. when men, dwarves, hobbits ect. die...they go elsewhere...Tolkien never really says. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | It is a land that is free of evil. The elves go back over the seas to dwell there. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: White Tiger | | Shasdow Stalker said this in post #4
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| actually 1 mortal dude did...but then agian...he for some reason was accepted as an elf...don't know why... |
If you mean Earendil it was because he was, as Tolkien would put it, close akin to Elu Thingol lord of Doriath, because he is the decendant of Luthien Tinuviel and Beren. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Shadow Stalker | | i can't remember who i was referring to now, but it was either him, or Earendil's father, who i believe does make it to Valinor as well. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: White Tiger | | But there was Amandil, the father of Elendil, who went to Valinor aswell. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Shadow Stalker | | well, technically isn't it said in the Silmarillion that whether he got there or not was never discovered, he was just never seen again. He could've been lost at sea. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: White Tiger | | Or he could have gotten to the island before Eldamar and stayed there, who knows? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | |
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White Tiger said this in post #17 :
Shasdow Stalker said this in post #4
If you mean Earendil it was because he was, as Tolkien would put it, close akin to Elu Thingol lord of Doriath, because he is the decendant of Luthien Tinuviel and Beren. |
This sounds right to me also. Earendil was fostered out to Thingol and was very close to him.
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| Posted by: White Tiger | | Im not sure you've got that right Fuscia.
Turin was fostered to Thingol, Beren married Thingols daughter and Earendil was the married Elwing who was the daughter of Dior and Nimloth who succeded Thingol as rulers of Doriath.
Earendil himself was the son of Idril of Gondolin and Tuor the cousin of Turin. He is in this way a half elf and grandson to Turgon. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: White Tiger | | To be honest I used the Enclyopidia of Arda for that post, too many names to remember. | | Reply To this Message
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Lord of the Rings Trilogy Forum: Grey Havens
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cool...so do i get a prize?? 
Yes, I name you Elf Friend and Master of All Things Tolkien.
YES!! 
I need a cheat sheet.