ISLAM vs CHRISTIANITY: The true winner

Israel & Palestine Forum

Islam vs Christianity

Note to the reader: My article will continuously change its subject without chapters. I wont start off by telling you the answer to that, so I’m going to make you read my book if you want to find out who the winner is. I am writing this book on behalf of all my opinions, which I have when I listen to the media. When I say media, I don’t mean watching CNN or anything else, which broadcasts from America, because I have watched it for several years and I have a pretty good feeling on how it is like. It always takes its own country's side and does not even consider other peoples opinion. America is not a democratic country. In fact, it is a world power country, which is a fascist on the inside, and a democracy as they claim, but no worries because "every nation will have its down fall (Qu'ran)." Almost all nations today were part of great powerful nations that once long ago existed. The Persian, Babylon's, Ottoman, Chinese, Arabs, Egypt, Britain, France, and now America. IT might take a while for USA's nation to have a downfall but it will happen, with many people despising them. Couple weeks ago I heard one of my Chinese friends tell me a supposedly Chinese quote "Keep your friends closer, but your enemies even closer." (He was referring USA as China's enemy). At that moment without me having real knowledge about how USA operates in China I thought to my self and I said oh wow, bravo the Chinese. But later on I noticed something in the Canadian media and what was going on. I listened and I found out that China was being flooded with Wal-Mart and McDonalds all over its country and then I said "sad" and of course with China's large population the US must be making quite a large revenue from China. After that I realized that the quote was actually meant from US side not from China. Another thing I realized long before was that McDonald is in almost every single country on Earth! That is just disgusting (not only the food but the thought of McDonalds being in almost every single country). The only country’s, which McDonald does not operate in, is countries that have issues with the US, countries such as Iran (thank god). No other country on Earth has a huge global food production and so many fat asses. When I went to a trip to Iran I was surprised by all the skinny people there. The problem with the world these days is that we have too many countries! We should start annexing our countries to each other. For example Canada and the USA are almost exactly the same, what’s the point of having two names for two similar things? The only reason they are separated is for money and who gets to lead and what will be the capital of the new country. Well, can't we have two capitals and two leaders and combine our money together? Another country, which can be combined, is mostly all of Europe; they are all the same in the exception of languages. Another country, which can be combines, is eastern Asia. China, Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, Thailand and all those other countries near China should unite into one. Another country is the Middle East, countries such as Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. If we all join each other and be willing to have one leader representing all of those countries and one flag representing the entire new region, the world will be much simpler. OF course one great danger of limiting the world into approximately 4 or 5 countries is that couple countries gang up on another country and beat the **** out of it. Then the will concur that country and again war begins. SO what is the real solution here? The real solution is even more complicated for ALL human beings to UNITE! Narrow that 4 or 5 country into ONE country and NO PROVINCES, NO STATES. WE must all help each other in every way we can. Of course, I my self-have a very strong attitude about how different Iranians am then Chinese and how different Chinese people are then Americans. SO...in Conclusion the world will never unite as one and we will ALWAYS have disagreements, unless a miracle happens and every single last human agrees.
The Significance of Islamic Republic of Iran
Iran has one of the oldest civilizations in the world. Until 1935, Iran was referred to as Persia. We had so much history, so much, and so much civil unrest. In the year 1979, Iran's powerful economy fell as thousands of Iranians died as a bloody revolution took place. Our powerful economy fell, many people died, women voted to never vote again, and Iran became a country of conflict. A year later at 1980 we went to war with a weak yet stubborn country for eight miserable years! Our economies even became shitier than it was and we had no money for country development. Many children became fatherless, many women became widowers and many cute Persian cats became hungry and died. As USA gave weapons to Iraq to use against the Iranians, they later on found out that Iraqi's were bad people, so then they decided, hey...lets sell military secretly to Iran, and so this is USA.
What angers me the most is not that why we went to war, but is why we went to war with each other? We used to be a very powerful joined empire called Persian Empire. Now centuries later we go into war with two stubborn leaders. As I mentioned before, "Unite instead of fight."
The way I see countries is like individual humans.
Iran- Handsome yet stubborn strong guy
China- Old kung fu peaceful guy who wants to have his enemies closer than his friends
USA- A big rich ugly guy who will do anything for money and is a backstabber who has allies by bribing them with dirty money
Russia- A generous guy who sees justice and one who will not be easily intimidated by dirty money
Britain- A weak country who wants to be the bullies friend
Africa- A huge strong muscular guy who physically can't touch any other country besides its own weak continent
Canada- peaceful person who does not care much about other countries unless persuaded
South America- poor guy
Turkey- A guy who wants to be Europe’s best friend and doesn’t like himself and makes allies with countries such as Israel for money
Israel- A poor ugly wimpy country whose only source of power is USA, and with out USA's aid it will die as all of Middle East crush it to death.
Most of the problems in the world are about something called religion. The three most biggest religions in the world are Islam, Christianity, and Jewish. All these religions refer to one god, but with different prophets. As I was reading the Qu'ran (Holy bible for Muslims) it said something about Christians indirectly. Its quote was something like this: "...warn those who say Allah has a son, Allah does not have a son nor will ever have one..." If you still didn’t figure it out it was mentioning about how Christians accuse Jesus being the son of Allah. All these religions have the same ideology, SO WHY DO YOU PEOPLE TRY SO HARD TO DIFFER FROM ONE ANOTHER!!!!!! One good example is Palestinians (Muslims) and stupid Israelis (Jews) who don't want to unite and claim that Jerusalem (the most holiest site in the world, not even terrorists dare to bomb it) belongs to them. The reason I am not calling the Palestinians stupid is because if you may already know that part of the world first belonged to the Palestinians, and following some war, the British came and put the Israelis there which is now causing so much conflict to the world peace. What my point is that these people rather blow their hearts, intestines, and lungs out and kill each other instead of uniting into one and agree that they are the same kind of people. This teaches the world that YOU choose to be friends, YOU choose to be enemies, and YOU choose to stubborn. You all have the same beautiful eyes, the same big noses, and two hands. These people have so much hatred towards each other that instead of uniting with each other and putting their differences aside, they fight. My real question is what are their differences besides their religion? If you are blind and you don’t see how the religious world operates let me tell you. Do you notice any specific religion around China? Iran? USA? UK? If you still don't see before reading on don't use your eyes, use your head. Look! Around China, all of the countries such as Vietnam and Korea and Japan have one thing in common (no not their eyes). They either are Buddhists or they don't care and don't believe in anything. Countries around Iran such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Arabia, UAE, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, are all Muslims and believe in one god; Allah. Countries like UK and USA are Christian countries, where they to believe in one god and that god has a son. The Middle East, which spreads from west of North Africa to barely east of China, is all Muslims. Israel (which in Farsi (Iranian language) means the angel of death) is a Jewish state, and that is why they are constantly under fear, because they are surrounded by Muslims. Most of Jews or even Muslims themselves see other religions as fearful or the "wrong" religion. The solution to this is a unification of all three major religions into one, which I will talk about later in detail. As I mentioned before, everyone must see each other as exactly a like, and their eyes, or racial background shall judge no one. Even if we unite the whole world into one country, and lets call that country Mohana, people wouldn't be able to make fun of each other because they can't ask each other where they are from, right? Wrong. People will always separate themselves from other people for religious and appearance reasons.
USA must be involved in every conflict there is. Why they are involved is because, at the moment, they are the world power, and no country, or leader, has the courage to stand up militarily against the USA. USA has nuclear weapons, Israel has nuclear weapons, and yet the world is so scared, that Iran is only “accessing” nuclear technology. The world could not be more unjust. The world is unjust when greed is involved and there is only one superpower. With many superpowers and unfriendliness, we shall all unite as one. At this period of time, the world is in a major struggle for justice, which the Muslims are going after for, and injustice and murder and slaughter, being supported by the United States of America. Well I say, down with America’s military and down with America’s BUSH. Americans are good people, yet they have been scared and brainwashed by the media. No body has ever thought them and tell them, “don’t be influenced by media, because they can sure brainwash your ass if you watch to much”. This is very simply proven. Compare an article which is posted from US and from a Middle Eastern country on the same subject and see how much they differ! USA doesn’t like Israel at all! USA hates Israel and the only reason USA is supporting Israel is because it wants another kind of power in Middle East. The problem with the Middle East right now is the all the Middle Eastern countries are looking for justice, while the Europeans and North American countries want more money and money. The East Asian countries are all the same, all of them sucking up to North America for money and more money. Sadly, the Middle East does not unite as one. For example during the period of war with Iraq, Saudi Arabia continued giving oil to the US!!! Without the oil in US, they couldn’t do anything about it! The world is run by middle easterns/muslims. 99% of all oil is in the Middle East! Without that oil being exported to countries, the world, except Middle East, would be destabilized. Almost every race in the world has a nickname. White people are white trash, black people are ******, Chinese people are chink, Natives is chugs, and Indians are Hindu or Punjab. Middle easterners, until before 9/11 did not have a nickname! All these nick names for all these different races, except Middle East? WOW! Now, sadly, our name is terrorist. What is terrorism? Terrorists are a group of people who have so much hatred towards the US, that they have practically raised their own kind of people, special for terrorizing people. They bomb any one or country that has any relations with the US. Have you ever wondered what the world would be like without the US? There would not be as much as technology as there is now, but it would have been much more peaceful. ----------To be discussed further…

HOW GREAT IS IRAN/ANCIENT IRAN/PERSIANS????
Here are some facts
1. Twelve thousand years ago, they invented irrigated farming.
2. They invented writing.
3. They figured out how to tell time.
4. They founded modern mathematics.
5. In the Code of Hammurabi, they invented the first legal system that protects the weak, the widow and the orphan.
6. Five thousand years ago, they had philosophers who attempted to list every known thing in the world.
7. They were using Pythagoras' theorem 1,700 years before Pythagoras.
8. They invented artificial building materials, some kind of pre-fab-crete stuff used to construct high-rise towers.
9. Northern Iran is assumed to be the place we're all descended from.
10. They were the first people to build cities and live in them.
11. For thousands of years, they wrote the greatest poetry, history and "sagas" in the world and they still do.
12. Because they were great horse breeders, they invented the cavalry in war, Knights of the King originate in Ancient Persia, and they invented other things like the Game of Polo (Cho-gun).
13. They invented the postal system
14. Emperor Darius the conqueror invented and built the Suez Canal giving access to the Persian Navy to the Mediterranean Sea (Infact that is precisely how the Moslem armies went as far as Spain some thousand years later)
15. The Iranian Museum in Tehran contains some of the most outstanding stone, metal and clay sculptures and inscriptions created in the history of the world. Some of them are more than 7,000 years old. If a bomb hits this place, art lovers around the world will go into mourning.
16. The first school for astronomers was established by Iranians. This is how the "wise men" got to be so wise. They knew how to follow the stars.
17. Beginning around 200 A.D., the Iranians founded universities that exported teachers throughout the civilized world to teach medicine, mathematics, philosophy, theology, literature and poetry inter alias...
18. Abraham, the father of Israel, was from Persia.
19. Abraham, the father of Islam, was from Persia (Which means Abraham was Persian)
20. Abraham, the father and "model" of Christian faith, was from Persia.
21. Iran invented Chess
22. The words Spinach, Melon, Lemon, and Orange are Persian/Farsi words which the English language borrowed from us (along with more words)

Ugh.

Go ahead and compare the current living standards of countries with Christian majorities to countries with Islamic ones.

And no, Islam doesnt have any right to Persian success. Just because Persia was invaded by Islam, and currently rulled by radical islamists, doesnt give them ANY rights to Persia's previous sucess.

Hell, your article refers to the year 200 AD with Iranian unversities. MOHAMMED WASNT EVEN BORN YET! ISLAM DIDNT EVEN EXIST BACK THEN! LOL!

Buddy, did you even read my whole article i wrote? Or did you just scan throught it? Because i dont recall me saying anything about Prophet Mohammad

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i am not sure about this, but merkava does that mean before islam there was no such thing as iranians?? (that is a genuine question, i honestly do not know) and if there wasnt, as you claim, then who were them people that the iranians descend from?

Pioneer, what is it that has you so full of hate? I mean I've read some of your posts and they seem so full of anger? After posting a mere 20 posts, how is it that you've acquired the lovely shade of pink so quickly?

I'm no advocate of Jews or Palestine, but I know pretty much about the history in that part of the world. You're postings are so one sided and it lacks merit and is full of nonsense. Much of what you say isn't factual at all and seems to be motivated by blind hatred.

Certainly Israel isn't without fault, that's obvious, but what isn't so obvious to you is that neither are the Palestinians or other Arabs that so readily try to destroy Israel, fail miserably, then cry about the results of their failures.

All of that is nonsense. These are the facts. Israel isn't going anywhere just like the Palestinians aren't. The mentalities of old are not conducive to 21st century civilization. Unless the notions of "destroy Israel" and "all this land is my promise from God" is removed, they will continue to be in this endless cycle of violence. To lay the blame totally on Israel's feet is nothing but hatred.

I for one would like to see a real leader emerge in Palestine. I believe at the current time, Palestinians are the reason why Palestinians are not more progressed than they are today. You can't bomb women and children then complain that your enemies bombs are killing your women and children and call it unjust oppression. This is largely why many that understand the Palestinians don't really take up their cause and force justice.

How can a religion made by man (a prophet not a god) for man be so successful?
Murders and threats against the very society they belong to. Pursecution of women and rewards after death for men only.
What a crock. Do women even worship in this religion or are they prevented from that too?

USA1, are you a racist? Anyway, wasnt Christianity formed through Jesus? And Judaism through Abraham?


And your thinking of Arabs, not muslims when you talk of these 'woman oppressors'

Well said dragonhalitosis

I feel the pioneernfs2's comments are too biased to make it worth any more than the web page it's printed on. You need to take less credit and give credit where it's due.

We all make a difference in this world.

Peace out!

AntiZionist I think your name says all there is about being biased. It's further solidified by your comment about pioneers ability to understand facts.

What I do know is the same fate of the Palestinians today is what Arabs sought for Israel, and in fact tallied up against them to annihillate them. As for that land over there, that's an argument that will go on forever.

Do I see wrong in Israel's actions? Yes I do, but lets be real here. The whole Arab world wanted them dead. After a while you can't expect your enemy to treat you with the respect you don't want to give. It will never happen.

I just find it quite funny how the spades are calling spades a spade.

Before 1920 Palestine was occcupied by the Ottoman empire.
After 1920 palestine was occupied by the British Empire.
The British proposed to set up a homeland in palestine for the Jews, and got a mandate for this from the League of Nations.
But got no mandate from the natives of Palestine.
In 1937 the 20th Zionist congress accepted the idea of partitipon. but rejected the prosed partion on the grounds it was 'too small'.
in 1947 the U.N. propsed the partion of palestine the Jewish state wirth 1/3 the population and owniong 2% of the land should get nearly 60% of the area of Palestine for its state. This was illegal under the U.N. Charter.
there was to be NO plebisite of the residents of Palestine.
In march of 1948 a civil war breaks out in Palestine. The palestinians begin fleeing Palestine
In may 1948 immediately the state of Israel is declared neighbouring states which had governments installed by Turks British and French, (and often not indigenous to the areas they ruled), invade.

So oneof peace you say the whole arab world wanted the Jews dead.
Tell me
When 'EXCATLY' did anyone ask the Palestinians what they wanted?

So Dragon, you are a Muslim?

anti,
No I'm not a racist. I could care less what race you are. If I don't like you, it's because of who you are, not what you are.
I have serious issues with a religion that condones murder and uses their religion as an excuse for it. A religion that has no equal rights for women and suppresses freedom of speach. Having a whole country governed under a religious law is exactly what the US is not. When a country rules this way, you wind up with the hatred passed down through the education system with a biased government dictating the ciriculum with no thought to solution or change, just hatred. Hate them for their supprt of Israel?
I understand that not all Arabs or Israelites are Muslims or Jews or Christians.
So this isn't that we support only the Jews. It's that state of Israel that is supported. Just like it will be the country of Iraq that is supported. Palastinian Human rights are also supported by the US but not Araffat and his murderers.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SURGEON TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SIDE YOU THINK WINS WILL BE WORKING ON REBUTTAL OF YOUR "HOW GREAT IS IRAN" POST , BUT IN THE MEAN TIME WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ISLAM ? AND WHAT HAS THAT PART OF THE WORLD DONE IN THE LAST 1000 YEARS OTHER THEN KILL PEOPLE ?

Some Key Facts

v Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

v Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

v Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E., the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

v The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

v For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to
make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

v Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

v King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

v Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca.

v Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews.
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

v The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

v The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

v Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is
the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

v The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by 21 separate countries, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost.
Israel defended itself each time and won.

v The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has
supplied them.

v Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made
accessible to people of all faiths.

v The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

v Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

v The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

v The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

v The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.



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DRAGONBREATH
THINK ISLAM IS A CONVERSION OF RELIGION I AGREE BUT WHAT RELIGION IS WHERE WE GO OUR SEPARATE WAYS ISLAM IS CONVERTED PAGANISM MOHAMMED CHOOSE HIS FAVORITE ROCK ALL IN MECCA AL RAHMAN IN MEDIAN AND THEY BECAME TOP ROCK GODS

18. Abraham, the father of Israel, was from Persia.
19. Abraham, the father of Islam, was from Persia (Which means Abraham was Persian)
20. Abraham, the father and "model" of Christian faith, was from Persia.

Ishmael lived 137 years (Genesis 25:17). He had 12 sons, who became the founders of Ishmaelite tribes that spread from Egypt to what is today Iraq. Many of the modern-day Arab peoples correctly recognize that they are the descendants of Ishmael, while the Jews, and the rest of the Israelites, are descendants of Isaac - but all are descended from Abraham.


GENERALLY SPEAKING YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT PERSIA/ IRAN ARE TRUE THOUGH THE MATH STUFF IS OVERSTATED AND THE POETRY BELIEFS ARE OPINIONS BUT WHAT HAVE THEY DONE LATELY (MILLENIA) OTHER THEN BELIEVE THE FALSE PROPHET AND DIE WITHOUT ANY CHANCE OF SALVATION IN CHRIST ?

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Haj Amin al-Husseini
Appointed Mufti of Jerusalem by the British in 1921, Haj Amin al-Husseini was the most prominent Arab figure in Palestine during the Mandatory period. Al-Husseini was born in Jerusalem in 1893, and went on to serve in the Ottoman Army during World War I. Anti-British and anti-Jewish, the mufti was the key nationalist figure among Muslims in Palestine. Fearful that increased Jewish immigration to Palestine would damage Arab standing in the area, the mufti engineered the bloody riots against Jewish settlement in 1929 and 1936.

Al-Husseini's appointment as mufti was itself the subject of much controversy. The decision to grant al-Husseini the position was made by Herbert Samuel, the first high commissioner of Palestine. It was odd that Samuel, a British Jew, would appoint a man who would be responsible for so much unrest within the Mandatory area. Al-Husseini in fact had been sentenced to ten years in prison by the British for inciting riots in 1920. None of that sentence was served, as al-Husseini had fled to Transjordan, and was soon after amnestied by Samuel himself.

For his part, al-Husseini had used his influence to quiet additional disturbances in 1921. He assured Samuel that he would continue to maintain order, and it was with this understanding that the high commissioner granted him the position of mufti. In the following year, he was also appointed to lead the Supreme Muslim Council, expanding his already significant powers. Known later as the Grand Mufti, al-Husseini was able to establish himself as the preeminent Arab power in Palestine.

One of the mufti's most successful projects was the restoration of the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aqsa mosque. With funds collected from India and various Arab states, the Dome was plated in gold. The impressive looks of the Dome greatly enhanced the status of Jerusalem in the eyes of Muslims throughout the world. Similarly, al-Husseini's own status as Mufti of Jerusalem increased his standing as an influential Arab leader.

The mufti was dismissed from his position following the riots of 1936. No longer able to stay in Palestine, he continued his extremist activities from abroad. During World War II, the mufti was involved in the mobilization of support for Germany among Muslims. In November 1941 the Mufti met with Hitler. Although he continued to be involved in politics, al-Husseini's influence gradually declined after the defeat of the Arab armies in 1948.
imilarities between Nazism and Islam
== Nazism and Islam ==


Nazism as an ideology and as a value system has many things common with traditional Islam. During the WWII, Iran, Iraq, and many other Arab countries were on the side of the Nazis, and because of the hostility to Israel Nazism is not seen there in such a negative light even today.


The similarities between Islam and Nazism run deep. Not all people are seen as the same - there is difference between infidels, people of the book and faithful in Islam. Similarly, Nazism believed in different sort of people - the bottom were Jews and non-whites, corresponding to infidels, then Slavic people were somehow analogous to the people of the book in Islam, and Aryans to the faithful. The family values are also similar, as well as despising of petty profits made from lending money (a practice is against Islamic values, and was used to portray both USA and the Jews in the negative light by the Nazis).

Here's a picture of the Mufti Of Jerusalem speaking with Hitler on the 'Jewish Problem in Palestine'

http://www.antifa-duisburg.de/pics/muftihitler.JPG

the church of the Reich was a pagan church its messenger Hitler its religion Germany and its superiority .

islam has its church(Jihad) its messenger mohammed and allah's message global islamic nationality

the connection between Nazism and modern are undeniable and well documented

any attack on other faiths is irrelavent disparaging them will never make islam anything but a fraud

What's wrong with you mindbomb? Your the most racist person I ever met! You are racist against muslims, in an unhealthy way. You say that the religion supports murder, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?? Thousands of muslims are terrorists. THERE ARE 1.3 BILLION MUSLIMS. It is the extremists that interpret the koran in the way that if you die for your religion really means to kill other relgions. In the koran, it states that killing someone is the worst possible crime you can commit. You really think that the koran promotes terror??

At least merkava is anti-arab dictatorship.

You are anti-an entire people.

Merkava realises the Arab dictatorships are wrong. You however victimise all muslims and arabs. And I'm sure even merkava must agree that although you agree with his politics, your prejudice towards muslims is completely unacceptable.

Nazis planned to exterminate Christianity
by Jonathan Sarfati



The Nuremberg trials of leading Nazis conclusively proved that they attempted genocide against the Jews, resulting in the Holocaust, in which some six million Jews were killed. But one senior member of the US prosecution team, General William Donovan, compiled a huge amount of documentation that the Nazis also planned to systematically destroy Christianity.

Donovan’s documents—almost 150 bound volumes—were stored at Cornell University after his death in 1959, and are now being posted online at the Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion. This ‘criminal conspiracy’ involved the very top Nazis, including Adolf Hitler and propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels, as well as Hitler Youth leader and Nuremberg defendant Baldur von Schirach.

These documents show that the Nazis, right from the beginning, realized that the church would have to be neutralized because of its opposition to racism and aggressive wars of conquest. So they planned to infiltrate the churches from within; defame, arrest, assault or kill pastors; reindoctrinate the congregations; and suppress denominational schools and youth organizations.

Bible-believing, evangelical churches were in the forefront of opposition, as opposed to compromising churches. Without a firm belief in the inerrancy of the Bible, liberal churches were more readily inclined to ‘reinterpret’ Christianity to suit the ruling pro-evolution ideology, which is similar to what happens with Darwinistic ‘science’ today.

As early as 1937, Protestant churches issued a manifesto objecting to Nazi policies, and the Nazis retaliated by arresting 700 pastors.

In an ominous parallel with current clamours by humanist and self-professed ‘civil liberties’ groups to ‘keep Creation in the church’ and obliterate all traces of Christianity from public life and schools, ‘The various Christian Churches … were confined as far as possible to the performance of narrowly religious functions, and even within this sphere were subjected to as many hindrances as the Nazis dared to impose.’

All this furthered the Nazis’ aim of a ‘slow and cautious policy of gradual encroachment’ to eliminate Christianity and use the churches’ organizational structures for their own purposes.

Sources
The Nuremberg Project, <www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg.htm>.

Papers reveal Nazi aim: End Christianity

Cf. Sarfati, J., The Holocaust and evolution, Creation 22(1):4, 1999, Bergman, J., Darwinism and the Nazi race Holocaust, CEN Technical Journal 13(2):101–111, 1999; see also Q&A: Communism and Nazism.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler.

9th April, 1942, dinner "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

13th December, 1941, midnight "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... "When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118 & 119)
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941 "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... "Christianity the liar.... "We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

we both have proved some degree of proficiency at copy and past and using search engines and there is sufficient text to put a pox on all religions. You won’t find me defending the Catholic Church.

And let me apologist for playing one of my trump cards so quickly. My purpose here is to refute the lies muslims and muslim apologist spread about islam, That fact that mien kamph and the al-sira are so similar is really irrelevant

And as I said before attacking other religions can never make islam true or good or peaceful.

Would you want to fly on an airplane piloted by a muslim?

Mr Bombed mind was claiming Naxism was a pagan cult now hes down to claiming Hitler wanted to control churches as 'proof' that Hitler was a pagan in contrast to this we have Hitler himself pronouncing his confirmed faith in God and Christ.

The facts are as follows based on UN records:

Palestine was a British invention after WWI and never existed as an independent state. Most of this "Palestine" is called Jordan today.

The small number of people (700,000) occupied the entire Palestine Mandate which included Israel, the West Bank, Golon Heights, Gaza and Jordan today. Most of the Arab populations lived East of the Jordan River.

The common usage of the word "Palestinian" refers people who live in Palestine: Arabs (a "mixed race of Arabic speaking peoples"), Bedouins, Christians, Druze, and Jews.

Under Muslim rule the region had been reduced to a barren wasteland. Jews were the only people that produced anything causing resentment from the masses of illiterate and poverty-ridden Arabs. Jews never held any political power until 1948.

The British didn't want a Jewish majority in the region. This led in later years to a policy of systematically reduced immigration quotas, and indirectly to the death of millions of Jewish refugees in Europe twenty some years later. The British would illegally partition the region into Jordan, (forbidding Jews from living there) then stripped off the Golon Heights giving that to France and Syria. Calling the remainder "Palestine" then flooding the it with outside Arabs.

Constant agitation by outside Arabs and others leading to riots and murders of Jews. The British did nothing to stop this. Immigration and travel restrictions were almost universally applied only to Jews, no restriction was placed on Arab immigration to help flood the region with Arabs the British favored. Jews were the only economic success even with all of this going on.

Whenever there were Arab riots, Jewish immigration was restricted. This was the beginning of the British Policy of Appeasement, and the success of terrorism. The success of terrorism goes on today and appeasement still fails today. When will they ever learn?

All lands acquired by Jews were purchased, not taken according to Arafat's Nazi Uncle in 1937 and the British. Haj Amin al-Husseini was a Nazi war criminal wanted in Yugoslavia and mixed Nazi ideology into Islam. Arafat in fact isn't even a Palestinian, but was born, raised, and educated in Egypt. According to Forbes, he is worth over $300 million while he locks his own people into concentration camps.

Between 1950 and 1967 when Jordan and Egypt annexed the West Bank and Gaza, they flooded the area with more Arabs. Even today most Arabs in the West Bank, etc. hold Jordanian passports and Jordanian citizenship. After 1967 Jordan/Egypt relinquished claims to the area then started to scream for a second Palestinian state in addition to the first Palestinian State of Jordan. Before that, they claimed Palestine meant land of the Jews.

Even with immigration from Russia in the 1990's, the majority of Israelis are descended from Arab, Asian, and African Jews including two-thirds of the 870,000 Arab Jews expelled from surrounding Arab Nazi states. Druze, Bedouins, Christians, and some Arabs sided with the Jews in 1948 and serve in the Israeli Army today. The Israeli military has three Arab generals.

Why did the British do this? It's about oil, stupid! Britian didn't give a crap about Arabs or Jews. Just like America today ignores Saudi terrorism it's still about oil.

So forget the present babble used by the corrupt Leftists, the Leftist media, and their Islamic Nazi allies.

Visit www.palestine.us

If the US only wanted the oil, we would have it.

Not so fast USA. There's no way the US can simply march in and take the oil. There is way too many repercussions for this. However, we can seek to control it which is clearly at the heart of our interest in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.

If you think we're there to free the Iraqis from a brutal dictator, then you do not have a grasp on what has unfolded before the world's eyes.

Wrong, we invade a country for oil, kill, destroy and build it back up better than before for the worst batch of low grade oil on the planet.

I'm saying it isn't about oil. There are a lot easier ways to get oil that doesn't involve war. The Saudis would love to sell us more oil.
You need to get off that kick.

No, you need to open your eyes. Iraq played a key role in world oil prices. If you recall the day when Saddam said he'd stop production, gas prices surged upward.

I don't think you see the entire picture USA. We've been here before. Iraq's oil supply is not low grade, I don't know where you got that picture. And if you think this war wasn't about oil, then ask yourself this question.

When did Saddam's troubles began, when he gassed the Iranians or Kurds, or when he invaded Kuwait? You do the math.

Iraqi oil is poluted with water and is low grade. Check it out, the information is there.
Saddam's trouble began when he took power. Killing Kurds and Kuwaitis had nothing to do with American oil. It had to do with gread to control the ports in Kuwait and hold them hostage.

Oil prices go up and down daily, it makes no difference when Iraq is involved or not.

It's also easier to reduce our reliance on oil than to start a war so we could waiste more.
Get real.

USA you are mistaken badly. Iraq is second in oil reserves.

Iraq Second in world Reserves

They have many untapped resources over there, and Iraq has directly affected oil prices world wide several times. Where have you been the last 10 yrs?

I'd like you to point me to one source that says Saddam's troubles began when he took power. He took power in 79 and had no trouble world wide until he invaded Kuwait which happens to be 3rd in world oil reserves. During the 70's Iraq became very rich due to its oil reserves and Saddam used much of this money to build weapons.

The US is the reason Saddam isn't in power today, this history is very recent and shouldn't require you to read books on. After Saddam gassed the Kurds in 88, the US was still shipping him anthrax & botulism among other things and we did nothing. It wasn't until he invaded Kuwait that we got involved in his deposition.

How can you see the greed of Saddam and miss the greed of this nation? Saddam's invasion of Kuwait was based on it's oil too. Saddam spent much resources fighting Iran and then the Kurds. It left his economy almost in ruins. He saw the wealth of kuwait, then claimed it was part of Iraq.

This was a direct theat to the world and the US, so we took up the cause of getting rid of him. I think you need to do some research USA.

Yes, they have a lot of subgrade oil reserves.
How did Saddam come to power and stay in power? Illegally. Murder and lies.
I can't believe you condone Saddam and ANYTHING he has done.
You are a strange individual.

Ok you lost me USA. Where in any of my posts have I condoned anything Saddam has done? Why must everything be so black and white to Bush supporters? I guess it comes from his statment "you're either with us or against us".

I just simply pointed out facts above. Iraqi oil is NOT low grade. They are are vital resource on the world market.

I'd like to to do two things USA. Show me somewhere I can read that Iraqi oil is low grade, and show me where I said or hinted that I support Saddam's past actions.

Frankly peace, I resent how you feel everyone but you is ignorant to the facts and when someone disagrees with you, they are required to prove everything for you. Contrary to your own belief, you don't know everything.
When I read your responces to anyone, it is usually deragatory and condecending. "I know all and see all" unless of course it is from the French posters here who agree with your every word.
Frankly I don't have all day to provide every link to everything I've read nor does anyone else.
Funny how we use the same term to describe each other. Black and White.

I don't know maybe it is me USA. Maybe I'm wrong for asking you to define your position. I don't recall asking you to prove anything and in fact I do recall you saying you believe more in the intelligence of the Bush administration than anyone who disagrees with it in these forums.

Now, I only asked you to show me where you got your source that Iraqi oil is substandard. Your response in return is quite hostile USA. At your suggestion, I chose to look into Iraqi oil standards and I find nothing so far supporting this. Am I wrong to ask you where you got your source to base this claim?

This is derogatory? This is condoscending? You know USA I certainly do not mean to be any of these. I remember when I use to believe in the just actions of the USA. I thought everything we did was right, but after seeing some things unfold, I realized that we are not always right in what we do. Many times the ambitions of those in power has taken precident over right and wrong for that matter.

Looking at Iraq objectively as possible, there are too many factors for this to be simply war on terror. To blindly support something that's so obviously inaccurate is dishonest in my opinion.

USA you have to admit that there is something wrong here. A year later, after so many said this was a rush to judgment and to find out there's no WMD certainly support all the aspect of this assertion now doesn't it?

Am i the only one who notices that when its Israel vs Palestine , its actually Zionist Jews vs Islam and Christianity , Israel has destroyed Numorous Churches and Mosques, If Israel gets full ownership of Jerusalem, you can expect to see The Al'Qasa mosque and The Church of Nativity destroyed.

If Israel wanted to destroy them, they would have been finished with by now. It isn't the Israelis who destroy ancient Jewish archeological findings at the mosque, its the Palestinians.

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp483.htm

Ill get back to you on that, let me read it

Omg, merkava ur so ignorant! Of course Israel want to destroy them, they're just scared of doing so! Can you imagine the reaction? No? Well, i'll tell you:

1) More suicide bombings than ever, and all on that day
2) Thousands of Israelis dying from these bombs
3) Third and biggest Intafada
4) 22 Arab countries attacking it
5) Around 30 Muslim countries would probably attack it as well
6) World opinion turning against Israel
7) Even America would have to criticise it

Do me a favour Merkava.

You think the Arab countries would NOT attack Israel? You nearly had me going there. They've attacked them 4 times - you think they're scared of Israel? You think Iran dont hav nuclear weapons of their own?

Besides the point, you think there wont be increased terror attacks? For ***s sake, there would be another intafada, and this one would kill more civilians than ever. And what about the muslim countries - you don't think some country like pakistan with nuclear weapons might attack them?

What about the fact that world opinion would be agaisnt Israel? They're already hated, now they would just be despised.