Germany Boycotts America

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and the saga continues, stupid countries like germany now are deciding to boycott our products, as if it will make a difference Should we strike back?

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Hrm.. you have any news articles or anything to link to regarding boycotts? Germans are excellent craftsmen & engineers - I think we have greater need of their exports than they have of ours..

i saw it on fox news this evening in the around the world in 80 seconds section of the fox report, i will try to find some articles

Foxnews? Not surprising. Had this channel everr said something right? Last time I watched it, they announced a huge chemical plant in Iraq: I am still waiting to see it...
I am amazed of how many people watch and believe that they see on it. Al Jayirakh is the Arab equivalency:TRASH TV...

Check out CNN. they kept talking about this group of soldiers that were sent over and been there for 12 months.
What's funny about that?
We were talking to them a week ago at a store.
The soldier says "CNN is so dumb. they keep saying we are in Iraq and here I am, standing in front of you."

Haah, like that is really going to effect the US. economy.

Germany sucks.. along with the other axsis of losers China, France and Russia..

Good ridance you Saddam bum kissers...

I li´ve in Germany and I dind`t hear of any boycott! May be some people avoid going to McDonalds, but that`s all. I would give much to some news agencys. let me tell you what I read in the American Newsmax. They said German anti-war-protestans where Hitler`s children and now they want to boycott France and Germany. I think we live in Democracys and it`s impossible always to have the same opinion. But things like economical boycotts are senceless and stupid!

Caps#1 is beeing stupid again...
The Us exports to europe are vital to the economy of the States. Their is no official demand for boycot by any european nation. Fact is that many individuals decided to boycot american products. This has such effect that a spokesman of coca cola declared that coca cola is also Belgian. With was totaly riddiculus ... Im sure its a global fenomen. Combined with the ammount of money George Wanker Bush asked yesterday for his stupid war this will cause trouble for the US economy. Greenspan declaired that the economy could probably not take this

I thought McDonald's was Canadian, and that reality TV was invented by the Dutch?!?

Media coverage is pretty awful one must admit. Trying to make war sexy and shove it down our throats 24X7X365. They convey rumor as fact. No journalistic sobriety.

I think people on both sides will boycott products. Its a powerful tool if it can mobilized.

Why the hell is 95% of everything made in China. Its obvious of course. The Germans don't get me down as much as the French. Cool cold self interest. Deliberate and concerted action against the USA that is getting our boys killed.

With our trade deficit, it might be a good idea to buy fewer French... what the hell do the French make? Citroen cars? When's the last time you saw one of those?

My wife is fond of cheese. French wine quality is overstated for the price. But I guess Chilean wine is off the list too. We can still drink Chianti, and Australia has some fine vintages... I have some Beck's in the fridge.

Of course there is that 900 million dollar contract from a French vendor to feed the Marines at 55 different bases. Now that's pretty ludicrous. Although French cuisine is exquisite. Do you think they spit in the rations? Belly button lint? Ear wax?

I am pissed at the French to be honest.

give me a break, drill, the Germany boycott will do nothing to our economy especially since they are boycotting huge companies like Pepsi, it is really not going to effect them, on the other hand if we boycott them....

i think it would have a huge effect, sometimes we buy stuff from other countries that we don't want or need, we just do it to help them, I believe that Germany is one of these countries, Germany makes nothing special, everything that we buy from them can be made right here in the USA. It would provide more jobs and help out our own economy, if you disagree thats fine, but that is my take

Tell me only one good reason why you want to boycott us!

If you boycott Germany you have to boycott more than half of the world. But Germany is one of your most important allies! Only the US have more soldiers in international pecakeeping operations than Germany. All over the world we have solders helping America. In Kosovo, in the operation ,,enduring freedom", in Afganistan, ships in the horn of Africa and Asia, Patriot defence systems in Turkey (to protect Turkey from Iraq) and also soldiers in AWACS (to help US-sodliers in the gulf-region). Also we have many soldiers in some UN-missions in Africa...

Only this time we (or our gouvernment) have another opinion. And this is what the world thinks about the US - that anybody who has another opionion will be boycottet or attacked (example iraq).

So, tell me only ONE good reason.

As I said before, I like Becks. I was also trying to decide between an A4 and a Passat. Passat seems more like A6 in size so a better deal for the money.

As a friend once said - "I'd shave my head for a kolsch right now."

A disagreement between friends is fine. But when it comes to mortal combat, its time to choose sides or at least stay VERY quiet.

By not choosing your friend, you are sending a strong message to your friend's enemy. That message has not been missed in Baghdad or Washington. I think the US being upset is pretty normal given the circumstances of our boys dying and Saddam (and his supporters) thinking the WORLD is on their side.

Saddam just thinks that without support from our friends, all he has to do is rally his people for one final effort, give us some of his own shock and awe, kill a bunch of Americans, and we will go away. He thinks that diplomatic pressure on the US from our own friends will save his ass. Unfortunately for him, Bush is a bit too stubborn, and the US can take it.

More dead US/UK/Iraqi's will be the result.

@Rambo

you are one single person. But I am very sorry that it where people like you, screwing around, that want to represent the US.
You called us a bunch of chicken shits! I am NOt going to put all Americans in a bux, I can only say that you have no idea of whats going on, and if you want to do your country a favour, please stop posting. Chinas is also not backing the US. And it would be very hard not to buy products made in China, isn`t it?

But your main problem is that it were single poster and idiots like you which are always heard and remebered. WE ARE THE US! WE CAN SAY WHATS GOING ON! AND IF ANYBODY DOES NOT AGREE, HEY, WE ARE STRONG - LETS BOYCOTT THEM OR BETTER; LET`S ATTACK THEM!!!

@Charles

Saddam has to be removed - we all know that! And we all know that it`s not possible without military pressure or maybe without a war, ok - i agree with you!

But let me tell you something about the political situation in Germany. I don`t agree with our politicians! And many Germans don`t agree - but we are a democacy. And as our foreign minister said to your foreign minister: ,,How should i explain my people this war, if they still think that there a other - better ways?"

And you will see that Mr. Tony Blair will get much trouble in GB. But you will also see that in 3,5 years our gouverment (SPD party) will not be elected again, i can say this today, and we will get our former gouverment (CDU - the party of Helmut Kohl) back. I hope that Germany will get a srtong allied to the US, because we still are strong enough to support you - but you also have to learn what Europe says.

So please keep cool and let`s come back to our old good relationship! We need the US, and the US need a strong Europe.

All i want to say is, that you cannot join a war, if your people think it`s a bad way. And there a differences between people that lived without a war in their own country since i don`t know how long and people in Germany, which survived WorldWar II and heard of WorldWar I. This people you cannot explain something like a good war, a war that is backed by god or something else. War means death- and nothing else. And I woukld like it if the US and GB would say THIS instead of telling you something about smart bombs.

no problem to buy Budweiser in Germany. But only few people do that. Don`t know why...

It was actually a German who posted a couple of days ago on a different thread about some German boycott of US goods.

Germans don't drink Budweiser becasue German beer is better. Czech Budweiser is good though.

US Budweiser's drinkability depends on where its brewed. Florida has real smooth bud.

US brews have come a long way in the last ten years. There are some good ones now.

I prefer Guinness anyway.

But really Strategy, why is Germany not supporting the US led effort to enforce the resolutions. And don't tell me that Iraq destroying missiles it said it never had to begin with means that Saddam has been born again into the world of the righteous.

Iraq had literally a month or so after the cease fire agreement in 1991 to completely disarm. They lied and lied and lied. UN inspectors found tons of weapons and weapons programs in the 90's that Saddam said he never had. The inspectors were threatened, kidnapped, and finally kicked out. Sure they destroyed the ones they found.

1441 was a final ultimatum. He didn't go for it. He missed the point. Maybe Germany/France gave him the wrong signals that even though it was an ultimatum, it wouldn't be enforced?

Why is Germany against the US in enforcing unanimous UN resolutions???

@strategy

OK. I missed your other post. I think I've been pretty decent about the whole thing...

But about Democracy and leadership... In a Democracy you get to vote. That's good. You also have the right to free speech (protest too!).

But when it comes to tough issues, you want a strong leader who isn't going to cave to fickle and potentially uninformed popular opinion. The people voted for him, and the Bundestag, etc., to make the tough decisions and not cater to every flag waving unemployed person, student who wants a day off from school, or person who wants to gripe about something.

I also appreciate Germany's abhorance of war. It is horrible and people get killed. It shouldn't be entered into lightly. Germany lost millions, and had its cities leveled. War is not something to be entered into lightly.

But maybe in this case, if a unified front demanded that UNSC ultimatums would have to be respected, and an example of overwhelming force was used, wouldn't that send a strong message to others and actually reduce the long term threat of war?

I can not tell you all and the true reasons, just like you cannot tell me all reasons why America is leading this war.

One reason is because our cancelor (this is what is the president in the US) said in one of his election campaigns few month ago, that Germany will not send soldiers. This was a mistake, because after his election he could not change his decision, but the situation changed! I would have supported a decicion to send soldiers and help Americans, but we all have to accept the decicion of Germany`s elected gouverment.

Other reasons might be the mssing back of UN and the security council. And at least many Germans hoped that there could be a political soulution, but i don`t think so. So our foreign minsiter said that he cannot back the war because he could not tell his people why he does it.

The decicion to attack Iraq was made in the US before the UN inspectors returned to Iraq - that`s for sure.

OK, you have to accept AND respect the decisions of a souvereign democratic country like Germany. You can write critics, but don`t blame all Germans.

PS: now let me ask you one simple question:

Would you back this war if your children lived in Bagdad?

But do you mean if I had kids in the US military in Iraq?

Or if I was an iraqi and had kids in Iraq?

I would hope my answer would be yes to both.

Not only have American's died to protect their own freedoms in the past, more often than not they have died by the hundreds of thousands to defend other peoples freedoms and to protect our friends (WWI, WWII, among others).

Originally posted by DrPoke

Did you know that 95% of statistics are made up by white males under the age of 35?

Hey, you wanted me to find a statistic. So I did.

I found one and I even took the time to make it larger and paint it a pretty color for ya, so give me a break.

I have no idea what the true number is other than its high.

Just one single example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../11/wirq211.xml

Behind the words of Mr Powell and Mr Rumsfeld was a shared anger linked to a growing antipathy towards France and Germany that is spreading across the political spectrum and throughout Middle America.

That really makes me laugh. You krauts are really f'd up.

To Sean,

who cares about cars, mercedes suck anyway

BUY FORD AND CHEVY

when I get my first car in a few months I will be buying a ford, a mustang, and then later in my life a corvett, so once again, we don't need cars from germany we can make them ourselves

Sean
Budweiser does taste a little....

Hello,

I`m from Germany and I like to say to you the most german people don`t boykott the american products. That is the same **** that in capitol or white house the french toast is named liberty toast now, or french fries now freedom fries.That is stupid too. But we think about what can we do without war to show that we not like the politic of George W. Bush and naturally we don`t like to have a criminal like saddam in the world.

We are not against the american people, but in Germany the people know what it means, if thousands bombs falling down in cities. You are a veteran, I respect you, but did you ever feel what it means if you are sitting in a cellar day by day, helpless, burning people run during the streets?Thousands babies,childrens are burning?

Sorry,this is not a statement against you, I only hope that americans understand us a little bit more.

I feel with the american soldiers and pray for them, they are not guilty, they do their job , also like the iraqi people who defend their country.

You can be sure that for 40+ years in Europe the USA was prepared to fight to defend its allies against an army that vastly outnumbered them.

You can be sure that when the USA entered the war in WWII Germany had far more men and equipment ready for combat than the USA.

I can be sure that once again you didn't read my post carefully. I was trying to compare apples to apples as it were. The USA is certainly not looking to start a nuclear war.

BTW - China is pretty clear with our position on Taiwan. We would defend Taiwan even though we are vastly outnumbered by the Chinese military.

Hihi,...ok...sorry...some things here I missunderstanding, because of the foreign language.

But I`m sad, that so many negativ statements exist against the germans. We are not against the americans...believe it, only again senssless murdering in wars...we know that bad thing in the past!

Hmmmmm.....Kraut tastes very good and it`s healthy food*s*

I'm not against Germany or France.
That's why i'm cheering for "French Fries." This whole boycott/change name opinions are ignorant. Freedom Fries? Liberty toast? They act as if the word "French" is a curse word.
Someone even said that the Statue should be sent back to France. That isn't the first time it has been mentioned and Germany is helping our injured troops.

yes that is stupid, especially since that we make those things in the states, we do not import them, and yes Sean, I do know how Mercedes are, my cousin has one, they have a nice interior but i think that the way their exterior looks is ugly and sucks

I'm posting from Italy,and I would like to remember you that Europe is not 1 country: we are different between ourselves, with differente stories, characters and so on..... I think it's not the colour of the flag which make a man a good man, but things called honour, loyalty, owe....Personally, I feel myself as an american, in these days, (for this reason two US flags are waving outside my windows)..so, please, forget the french fries or Mercedes or spaghetti.....Now it's better to finish this 'job' removing as soon as possible Saddam, then help the Iraqi people to grow: I can't understand the reason which allows a Mother to see her son without shoes, hospital, culture,welfare but leaving that a despot build missiles, tanks and so on...we see on our TV and newspapers that these arab populations live in poverty, but always they have rifles and guns: we must teach them to grow, using also the stick when it serves if necessary.

Being german I feel very sad that in the US media is never mentioned that we still join the war against terrorism with the second-biggest (after US) number of soldiers -in Afghanistan. And nobody seems to know that the biggest mourning procession after Sept.11 (even bigger than in NY) took place in Berlin... A overwhelming german majority will never forget what the Americans did for us after WW2. But we even will never forget some important lessons of human rights, fortunately brought to us after WW2 by the US-people: Nobody's allowed to demand blind obdience of a people without admitting any discussion (as Bush tried it searching for his coalition countries: "Who's not with us, is against us"). And: When a country starts to intervene military in another country without clearly comunicate to the rest of the world howmany other occupations will follow or at least trying to harmonize this with the rest of the world this can end VERY dangerous for everybody... Not only to the german people it seems now as if this US-goverment has forgotten about the biggest value of the world, brought in former times by the US!: true Democracy. Although we really will never forget what the US-people did for us as for many countries in the world, we are scared by the Bush-gouvernment and its unlimited claims. Many people have the impression that a growing US-majority behaves arrogant against other cultures. Especially when you're an narrow-minded arabic desert macho you feel quickly insulted by any lack of respect and than it can easily happen that these people feel more sympathy for a bastard like Saddam who at least pretends some respect for Muslim culture. I think the whole secret is that many people are scared that the only culture respected in the future will be the US-culture. If the other cultures find proofs that that's not true they will be very interested in all the advantages you can learn from North American culture. Even as a superpower it will never be possible to live in peace when the rest of the world is scared about you. I think for everyone of us this could become more dangerous than a lunatic in the desert who was in reality under sufficient control. I love the US and I hope there will soon be a US-government I can love as much as many of its people!!

you mean another horrible president like clinton

Well, if Germany or other countries boycott American products, the American companies there may get annoyed or will not like it, and they may eventually close down American companies which will result in more jobless people in Germany...

Caps: PLEASE BOYCOTT. All it will do is helping Europe to build itself, and be less dependant of USA!

Well I´ve actually heard of some people boycotting coke or Mc Donald´s. I think it´s a very dumb reaction of what these people have heard about those liberty fries and boycotting French products by some morons in the US.

I think this war is wrong. I am not a pacifist and am not going to boycott american products.
Bush is an idiot. His administration has p!$$ed off almost every government in the world. Their diplomacy is so bad I can´t believe it.

domingo

Hi Sean,

to Bush:
Saying that "eithert you´re with us, or you´re against us" didn´t give the other countries a chance.
Not even Canada or Mexico is supporting this war. The US is fighting a war and didn´t even try to convince the world that it is just. Well and if they tried they failed and gave fake proof (Powell at the UN).
Your president visited one foreign country before he got elected (i think it was Mexico). This makes him not smarter.

Germany is engaged in the war against terrorism in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Horn of Africa. But if you don´t back this war in Iraq you are considered by Rusmfeld as being "a problem".

domingo
P.S.: My english is not that good that I can express everything that I am thinking. I try though.

french fries, pretty much all of Europes money comes from the US , we would destroy your economy if we boycotted

Sean Kelly thank you for the link. I already did a google search on "1441" before you posted it because i found some postings regarding resolution 1441 in this forum.

It was not my intention to make an argument. I am not anti-american, i met americans in sports, in the military and at work, and the overwhelming majority i met are decent, professional and nice people. And i can see no reason for you to take anything i wrote personal.

"Very likely anything you have to say about it is already being discussed here.." ... oh i see well i take this as something like "stfu" - but you're right - i mean who cares, this is your house, folks, nothing left to say.

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Caps#1:
french fries, pretty much all of Europes money comes from the US , we would destroy your economy if we boycotted.

haha thats funny. France, gemany and belgium are verry strong economies. Their among the stongest in Europe. The weaker economies like spain officialy support the US. The US exports alot more to those country's then they export to the US. And with Allan Greenspan only talking doom about the US economy that would be verry unwise. Youre ignorent if you think the US has to support countrys like Germany financialy. Actualy the Bundersbank is supporting the falling dollar right now.

sorry cap 1 but the american economy is totaly dependent from the european one and the same happens in the other side, but some facts:
The european union represents a 24% aproximately of the total global travel, and the us only the 20 percent.
the european union represents the biggest market in the world after china and india
the us nedds every year thosands of european billions to survive, because the comercial balance is very negative
the us is the country which more polutes of the world, consuming one third of the total oil and gas consumption, and there lives onli the 2% of the global population
the usa is teh biggest exporter of weapons of the world and its militar industrial complex is total dependent from the rest of the world
the usa are the country of the world which less contributes to resolve the problems of the poor countries (0,1% og the gdp)
The Usa is the countrie which earned the second lowest position in the education quality ranking
and the lis has no end....The usa is the most dependent country in the world

Actualy Schroder,Chirac and Verhofstad where also talking about an mutual army within the eurocorps. Something smaller with only a few strong European states if they where not able to reach consention with all the states.

"Finally, a common European thinking is finally emerging..."
Do you really think they would be able to agry on that? I dont think so. Not with people like Berlusconie and Blair. But a "coalittion of the willing" could appear. [/B][/QUOTE]

please, do not forget in this podium of the villians the superspanish presidet josemaria Aznar, who has betrayed his public opinio, europe and the dreams of millins of pacefu people

I hope that from the ashes of this war will born a great european union. If it is not so...the future of the world has a serious problem!!!!!!!

I think the USA has the largest integrated market in the world based upon size and per capita consumption.

The USA is a net importer.

Not that I think embargos/boycotts are a good idea, but the rest of the world would suffer much more in the consumer products segment. The US can manufacture any consumer products it needs.

In terms of technology products, including military hardware, most countries will invest in the best. Its not just cost.

In terms of education - not sure what to say. Many American's do seem to be lacking even in the ability to converse in English. True. But the society is pretty diverse. I am pretty sure that the US leads in terms of many areas in technology and research. So if we are "dumb" - everyone else must be completely stupid.

I agree our basic education system needs help though.

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"I hope that from the ashes of this war will born a great european union. If it is not so...the future of the world has a serious problem!!!!!!!"

Its already happening. Gallileo is just one of the sighns it is in progres.

Oh my God,

I can’t believe that, u are really a manipulated people. I’m sorry, I’m never seen a limited mind like American’s people one, you see only your TV, you read only your Newspaper, you don’t looking for truth yourself, even for an other point of view. Believe me we can’t never identify the real facts of problem if we don’t listen to all actors, I think that the judge listen even to shown before pronounce his judgment, no?

We mustn’t believe the expression “freedom for Iraq”! it’s absolutely false…where were the American soldiers in 1988, when Saddam was killed Akrad people in north of Iraq, the response is “in 1988 USA buying the arms to Iraq in order to re-launch & win the finished war against Iran”

Please weak-up, the true America need you

The year 1988 has nothing to do with the year 2003.

As has been stated about 15 billion times already: The liberation of Iraq is a consequence of the primary objective, which is the disposal of Saddam Hussein and his regime.

I don't think that the disposal of Saddam Hussein and his regime has changed between 1988 and 2003.

Sorry,
There is one change, in 1988 Saddam killed the thousands of people, after 01/ 2001 I don't think that Saddam has killed some one, I mean like 1988 and 04/1991

Please weak up, the true America need you

They cut out a man's tonge for speaking about Saddam and left him in the street to bleed to death and made the people watch. This happend a few months ago.
He hasn't killed anyone?