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Post-9/11 Era Forum

I hear the usa being called baby killers, murders of men, women and children. Even though our armed services are doing the best they can even to the point of haveing to back up to keep innicent people safe. What makes it even more saddening is that i hear it from our own people and citizens and friends and neighbors. This is so sad . All of you are enjoying the fruits of freedom. Thats more than what the people of iraq have. What if it had been your familys friends and neighbors that had chem/bio weapons used on you like the kurds had done to them. Same with iraq. You seem to forget there is a price for this freedom and everyone should have a chance to enjoy it, not just a few. Get mad america and fight back like you did on 9/11. Be strong, dilligent and prayful. back your country and your soilders and pray for a quick end and safe return of our people. This is the price of freedom and its time we all face up to it instead of fighting and spreading discontent. I love AMERICA and i love what she stands for. Remember we are free and if you dont like it, your free also so leave. Im sure iraq whould welcome you right now. God BLESS AMERICA AND HER ARMED FORCES AND FOR WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. remember also our arm forces are strictly volinteer so anyony in them is there by choice and wants to be just appreciated just a little for what they are doing. So say a prayer for them and there safe return and remember to get behind our men and women, let them know we care and appriate them. I know i do and am proud to say it, and say im an american.

A good question to ask them is, how much are they willing to sacrifice for freedom? I can tell you, not much. It's not hard walking on a street and waving around signs and chanting, but to put ones life on the line, is a completely different matter.

In my mind, the soldiers are the true heroes, not useless Hollywood celebrities with their leftist agendas or placard waving teenagers. I live in Canada and I wholeheartedly believe the US/UK are fighting a just and honourable war.

did we were against U.S./U.K. and others soldiers ?

NO

it's about the U.S. gov.

Did you know that none of the ones taking decision did army except:

Georges W. Bush which has been assigned to the air plane cleaning during Vietnam War
Collin Powell is a soldier

Others are chicken-hearted and it's these ones which decide, not GWB or Powell.


And about soldiers:

yes they are volunteers but that doesn't mean they agree on the reasons to go in war but they are soldiers so they have to obey and shut their mouth !!!!

Army = the big silent, in any coutry


It's always easier to make war especially when you are the one with the

more soldiers
more WMD nuke, biological and chemical
more land mines
less respect to the human rights

Do you think that you will get the respect from Iraqi people doing a war ?

Iraqi people say: we do not want Saddam anymore but Iraq MUST stay to the Iraqi people and don't kill innocents.
We suffer from the embargo - no food, no medic, nothing - but not Saddam and his friends and now to get Saddam you kill people ?


U.S./U.K. are killing innocent people with the bombing, yes I know it's war and they are collateral damage, neaded death for peace ....

But the day Saddam will be gone and a new Iraqi gov will be setup by U.S. gov ( - including the ex-minister of Saddam which was the one who ordered the killing of Kurds - "U.S. gov taking care of human rights ??? or money ???") this will turn in insurrection and we will see something as in Somalia, U.S. will retire leaving the country in chaos - as they did in Afghanistan - but after "reconstructed" the country meaning: Oil - as they did in Afghanistan with the oil pipe --


Sacrifice doesn't mean dying only .... but you should send GWB, Rums and the others chicken-hearted on the front line ..... this would solve the problem ....

Failure is not an option
War is failure

mtliveingtree,
what do you mean, 'get mad America, fight back'? Fight back at what? At a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? What precisely is your beef with Iraq in the light of the atrocious attack on the Twin Towers?

I'm all for a war for AMERICAN interests. I'm just saddenned by this war, because our Neocon/Pro-Zionist administration has gotten at least 27 young Americans killed so far, all for the greater glory of Israel! And that's sad...

I got an idea lets just shoot NOWAR in the head

Well if he was in Iraq and spoke out about his goverment like that ,they don't give you warnings or fines or a slap on the back of the hand THEY SHOOT YOU.

No one likes a war but look at saddams history hes not happy unless hes trying to take over somone elses piece of land.

Right now I think am in the last country that will be involed in this war but what a lot of you FREE people have to understand is that a lot of people in the past have died so you can have your freedom of speech.

All I say is THANK GOD for the US and the BRITS taking this war to him,before he decides to take it to some else

I.Q. of chicken ?

that's all you can arg: shoot NOWAr .....

this is what is mainly shown from US: stupid reaction ....

History:
About Saddam history, yep you are right but look at the US history .... http://www.nowar.tchacheurs.com/why_en.html

what do you think ?

because you ar US of A you have all the rights ?

they gaves warning to Chilian people ?

Laos people when they dropped their land mines because it was too dangerous to land the air plane full of mines ?

and all the others ?

what you don't want to see is: there is a big diff between WWII and this war ..... quite a big diff

US gov is better than the others ? NO so don't come with your "Freedom of oppressed people"

Ok so lets pull out all the troops and when saddam does get nukes I hope the drops one on you first Then we will see what your no war crying gets you

Poeple like you just don't get it you can cry no war all you want but guys like saddam could not give a **** about you.


OH BTW how much is saddam paying a gimp like you to pimp all the forums?

"Freedom of oppressed people"

If this is true then we need to liberate the Palestinians from that EVIL ROGUE NATION...Israel!

Quite right nowar - yours is an excellent website by the way. There is in fact a notable absence of facts and creative debate among the pro-war contingent.

learn the french and watch the vids ... you will have your facts

otherwise I post here in english, check my posts, read and args ... about facts ....

ahhhh so your french

well that does explain a lot to me then

you speak english so you are British ?
does speaking spanish make you spanish ?
does speaking french make you french ?


always shortcut ..........

NO I am a kiwi and like I said in an earlier topic the french go take a flying leap as well ...


They did not have the balls to test there own nukes in there own backyard they had to come into ours and do it.


OH thats right as well they had to blow a a cilivan boat in the process and kill inocent pll just because they protested against them.

GREAT WAY TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE

I am from Pakistan and I agree with Nowar...
why...because he can think...
I get this feeling that when you guys say war, it's just a three letter word for you...it's a cool video game with wow! affects...blood and gore...bloody fantastic explosions...the fact that all of this is happeneing to someone else makes it all the more entertaining...the american heroes!

Nowar should shut up because if he was on the front they would shoot him in the head??!

That's exactly something Hitler would do...say...

What is a hero I ask you guys? A hero is a guy who fights bad people and kills more innocent people than the actual bad people in the process? A hero is a guy who ties somebody up and then beats the hell out of him? Big Strong hero pushing somebody on a wheelchair under the bus because he was threatened? That's a hero?

With the kind of weapons you guys have you could blow up the whole world...that would be brave wouldn't it? You guys could kick the whole world's ass!!...so why not go for it?

As far as I am concerned, a hero is the person who will wake up early every morning after the war to go rebuild the cities and patch up the damage you morons have done to a nation...

First I know you are kangaroo .....

Second, damn, I'm not french ....

Third, and US nuke tests in Bikini Island ?

Fourth, yep big mistake from French gov .... and what about Australian gov ? is it clean ?

war is only a last resort. I don't see that we arrived there. Hans Blix thought given more time he could do a job. 3 months he asked for. The last I heard Iraq was 2 years away from nuke capabilities. Why couldn't we give him a chance?

There is a feeling over here in Sunny Scotland that Blair is just Bushes patsy and the poor unfortunate sod has fell for Bushes rhetoric. Most of us think Blair believes this is "regime change" and for the greater good of humanity. However, the feeling is that he has been duped and Bush has more than a passing interest in the region which will come back to haunt us all.

why couldn't we give him a chance, hows 12 years that have already passed?

Twelve years Caps when the world did stuff all. You don't just impose sanctions and twiddle your thumbs then after twelve years think, hey, now's a gooder time than any to bomb the crap out of Iraq. War doesn't happen like that. There's a contingency being planned, a strategy at work (and not ones that take tweelve years to evolve). In March 1991 Souther Iraq had an upsrising. It hoped he West would support it and it didn't do a thing. That's when we could have toppled a regime. That's when the time would have been right and some credibility could be gleaned from it. But to start it out of nothing after over a decade of impotence ...something not right there.

No war

You tell me what goverment is clean, there is no such thing as a clean goverment so I guess we just have to pick the one that is the lesser of 2 evils ..
As for you being sorry dude thought you said you were ... my mistake

There is no denying that the war in Iraq is illegal. The same way that the Nazi invastion of Poland was illegal. The same way that the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait was illegal. The same way that Japan's pre-emptively strike at Pearl Harbor was illegal.

You all wonder why September 11th happened?

The United States is the world's leading terrorist state and inflicts more death, destruction and suffering than any other. "But we're not targeting civilians".....AMERICA IS MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE!!! IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW OR WHY!!!

Why don't you americans look in the mirror and see what the rest of the world sees. You should be ashamed of your leadership and the murder that is taking place in Iraq as I type this message.

People all over the world feel the pain of American terrorism, but you Americans never look in the mirror....

1945: US deliberately targets innocent civilians in Japan, delivers largest weapon of mass destruction in history, and destroys two entire cities.

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.

1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia. (think about that number again for a moment - 4 MILLION)

September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.

March 2003: US invades Iraq in violation of the UN Charter and a humanitarian disaster has begun.

SHAME ON YOU AMERICA.....SHAME ON YOU

John1974 go kiss Saddam's bum

Iraq is going to lose this war and you can't handle it. :

Go Dubyah Go!

Yes, Iraq is going to loose this and I also am having trouble handling that fact. I also have trouble thinking about the children and families, torn burnt and suffering due to this invasion. I have trouble understanding anyone who thinks that killing, death and destruction is OK. I have trouble understanding how you can force the evolution of a culture to change. I do understand however that america has little history of its own and some americans do not understand the self respect and dignity that comes from having a history that is crafted by culture that is allowed to evolve.
I dont hold it against you bellagirldee, your posts show that you simply dont know any better. (So maybe someone should come into your home and FORCE you to think like them.)

Americans have to be proud of their armed forces, that is true, because they are doing their best in iraq and many of them are there because they belive in what they are doing.
But americans have a neo fascist government and a covard president (he didnt fight in vietnam, where he had to go as a soldier) which is using all this americans boys and girls for the profit of a few number of very rich people. This government is lying because they arent doing this war to free iraquis from saddam, there are many dark interests behind this decission. Saddam is an american product, it served americas interests for many years and the united states armed him with mass destruction weapons. When saddam served the interests of the USA there were no governmental positions against the opression and in 1989, when a kurd village was gassed the western governments did not say anything.
Popularity of us president george W Bush is based on war against terrorism and he and his friends know very well that if tension and fear between american people declines his popularity will fall and he will lose next elections. The reason because he is doing this war is because he has many problems inside the country (economy, Payment balance, corruption cases touching his person and near colaborators licke cheney, rumsfeld, perleand lots more, social security, vilence, etc..) and a short and victorious exterior war is basic to make people forget real problems like these are. It is very intersting because it is the same tachtic that Bissmark used in Germany between 1865 and 1900.
Another intersting thing is the fact that sadam has no mass destruction weapons. If he had, he would have used them these days, but he hasnt. The government of the usa knows this very well, and thats the reason because they have begun the war. they need a short and victorious war with a small number of losses and iraq was perfect for this purpose (its army is small, old and inservible).
That's because i belive that the bush administration is provoking this war, and will provoke others and because they have betrayed american people and confidence. They are corrupt, unhuman and lyiers and use words like democracy, freedom (what kind of freedom gives now in the usa, deinformation agency, pressfreedom, thosands of manifestatns detained... ) and human rights (guantanamo, death sentence, etc...) without beliving in them.
This administration has a doble moral and this is very bad for american interests in the world. The allies are losing trust in america and that is only because their government is betraying the values in which this country is based.

Please americans, it is your moral obligation to sack george W bush from the White House!!!! For a peacefuler and stabler world, sack him from the presidency!!!!!

ah, please, God has nothing to do with such a war.

John1974
You have posted that same list how many times in how many threads in the forum? It's as irrelevant now as it was the other 10 or 15 times you posted it.

Any one else notice how it is the pro-war-ers who immediately feel threatened by comments and lash out personal insults, verbal violence if you will. I wonder if this says something about why one group of people are prepared to go to war and find a way to justify killing?

Maybe I should remind you of the forum policies

Well, first of all, you made a statement, not a question. Hard to answer a statement as a question.
But, since you have made the staement, I feel I must reply to it.
Anti-war does not mean anti-troops. If you think about it, we are pro troops for sure. Simply because we don't want to see a single one killed in Bush's madness.
Love my country? I do love my country. I have fought my senseless war, and I would die for her a million times over, if it is a cause I agree with, or a danger to my country.
Freeing the Iraqi people is not a cause I agree with.
Stand behind our president? I can't, simply because of his own words. His "with us or against us" , and his "we will use deceit, lies and with-hold information" to fight this war on terror. Sorry, but when a person tells me they are going to lie to me, I don't believe a word coming out of his pie hole.
Bush is a liar and a warmonger. He is a shame to this great country.