THE WHOLE HISTORY OF jews AND ISRAEL AND PALESTINE

Israel & Palestine Forum

How did Israel come to belong to Britain in the first place? It seems that there were some secret pacts being made between Britain and the Jews to give the Jews land in the heart of Arabia for which they could rule in the name of the Kingdom of David (peace be upon him) and exert its influence over the whole of Arabia and the world. Israel was created in the name of the United Nations. What is amazing is who granted the UN the power to create a new country in the world? The establishment of countries is a historical heritage which has continued on its own.

The only authority of the UN should have been applied to those countries which had joined it. There was not a world mandate that said that everyone had to accept the UN's authority whether it joined or not. There was neither any mandate which stated the UN had the right to create a country at it's own discretion. This is what role the UN had to play in creating Israel.

Regarding the UN of today. Every time the UN passes a strongly worded resolution against the heinous crimes committed by the Israeli's the US always veto's it. Israeli's have butchered babies yet the world has failed to take notice. The is against justice to a great extent.

The question then arises that why does the UN deserve its name when only 5 nations have veto power? Even if world opinion is united, one of those 5 nations has the right to reject that opinion. The US has been veto'ing justice for many years in regards to Israel.

Regarding the creation of Israel:

In 1897 a council of Jews was established to achieve its Zionist objective. It consisted of a part that believed in the Kingdom of David (AS) which, according to them, they would establish one day. They are known as Israeli's or Zionists.

During the time a Jewish document came which was called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Zion is the name of the mountain on which David (AS) was promised the Kingdom. This was a scheme of the top leader of Israel, who believed in Zionism, as to how they shall dominate the world, what mode of action shall be adopted for this purpose, what will be the work principles and objectives, what means will be adopted, etc.

This document was discoverd by a secretery working under the Elders of Zion. To kill time she picked up the manuscript and read it. She became so shocked upon reading through the whole scheme to conquer the world that she smuggled it to Russia where it was published in 1905.

Around the same time they hatched a secret plan and on the other hand revealed a more apparrent programme, the latter being the subject of no controversy or dispute. The Jews assert that it is true that they had a programme of action which was made public, and it consisted of promoting their influence on the relations between various governments with the objective of achieving Israel as a seperate and independent homeland.

The second plan envisaged a "United Nations" (although the UN did not exist at the time, nor the league of Nations, but this plan contains all the ingredients) and after the description the plan expresses the hope that following the achievements and realizing the goal of establishing a UN, the Jews would then acquire control over the UN and exercise, through it, their dominion over the whole world. The plan calling for capturing the UN as an instrument to rule the world was bound to take considerable time as it did. However, all the intermediate steps forseen in their plan caem to pass as mentioned in the plan.

The Jews absolved themselves of this plan and maintained it was just attributed to them. The learned observers, politicians and intellegentsia debated this claim around the world. It led to litigation in several courts. A protestant from Britain has published a well documented book entitled "Water Flowing Eastward" which discussed the aspects of this plan. This book mentioned that the Jews lifted it off the market immediately. Regardless if the Jews did it or not, it does appear to have dissapeared from the market. You can see for yourself if you'd like.

The author of the book mentions that when a Western politician was asked if the manuscript attributed to the Jews is in fact authored by Jewish leaders or is just a conspiracy against the Jews and attempt to malign them. The politician responded that there are only 2 possibilities: 1)either this plan was drawn up by those whom it was attributed to- for all subsequent events have transpired in accord with this plan and could not have occurred in the same order foretold in this plan, or 2)that this is a revealed book of a prophet of God who gained the prior knowledge from the Divine and thus prophesied!

Frightful era of Dreadful Conspiracies Against Islam:

In 1916, Mr. McMahon who represented the British Government wrote a letter to Sherrif Husseing of Mecca and Medina who was then Governor of Hijaz. This letter can be summarized as proposing that if you agree upon showing us some favors, then, as a reward for those services, we will help you get rid of the tyrannical government of Turkey and set up an independent Arab state. The favors consisted of some areas of a map being marked as A and the others as B, in other words, designating some of them as areas of English-dominion and others as French-dominion.

Briefly, those conditions meant that, if accepted, the agreement would empower the British and the French, in their respective spheres of influence thus carved out, to be solely responsible for formulating foreign policy. Hijaz will be bound to conduct its external affairs only with the approval and permission of the respective governments of Britain and France, depending on whose territorial influence the affair belonged. So much so, that they would not be allowed to invite any European observer or advisor unless permitted by the British in their sphere of influence or the French in their sphere of domination.

While these parleys with the sheriff of Mecca were still in progress there was a conspiracy simultaneously brewing with the Saudi dynasty, i.e, the leader of the Wahabi sect, that if they agree to accept British hegemony in this area permanently and agree to the formation of foreign policy with the consent of the British government-as well as several other conditions-then the British government would install its power in the land of Hijaz and would permanently protect them against any possible aggression. With this agreement in place, a pre-planned atack was launched within a few years and the Sheriff of Mecca was ousted.

So in the period 1915-1917, on the one hand the Sheriff of Mecca was getting one signal and so also were his opponents. On the other hand Russia, Britain, and France entered into a tripartite agreement to divide the Ottoman empire and designate the areas so divided which were to be occupied by the Russians, the British, and the French, respectively. In addition to that, there was another Anglo-French agreement to divide and gobble up Arab lands. Therefore, under this plan that part of the world came under the dominion of 3 super powers. Russian influence in Arab lands was not provided for in these plans. Arab lands were agreed to be subjected to an Anglo-French monopoly. The subsequent wars and the role played by these 2 nations in this area is easy to understand in retrospect.

The Mystery: The Richest Land but the Most Poorly Defended:

Now, when we analyze the current situation from this perspective, various motives and objectives become clear. Before advancing any further, we should touch on an issue that is deeply connected to these issues. One would not expect two things to happen but they did happen. For one thing, the Middle East is the richest part of the globe and 60% of the world oil productions comes from there, but in spite of that, it is the weakest in regards to its own self-defense. It is also weakest in industrial growth. What is the puzzle, what is the mystery? Why is it that there is no guard standing over the mountains of these riches?

In this part of the world there is literally mountains of gold accumulating and despite that, from the military point of view, there is a vacuum in this area. Whatever defense capability you are seeing now, it bears no relation to the wealth that is located there. Why is that so? Why has this part been as a weakling, whereas Israel, which is a minor part of the area and not endowed with oil, has been bolstered up to an unusually strong position? So to say, the enclosure of wealth is defenceless and the quarter from where burglary is expected has been beefed up! This is a puzzle which needs to be resolved.

The Background to the Palestinian Issue:

In 1917, Lord Balfour made some committments with the Jews. Later , in 1920 a surprising incident occurren on the political scene. The League of Nations gave a mandate to the British government to assume the role of the caretaker in Palestinian territory. This mandate included a specific provision that whatever promise Balfour had made with the Jews for the creation of a Zionist state shall be honoured by the British government. Paul Harper in his book, The Arab-Israeli Issue (1986), writes

"In 1920, at the League of Nations Supreme Council meeting in Sane Remo, Britain was assigned the mandate for Palestine, which carried with it the obligation to implement the Balfour Declaration."(Pages 32-33)

This was a display of highhandedness and injustice by this organization that is unprecedented in the history of the world. It was clearly the result of a conspiracy of the big powers. The League of Nations was designed to be a representative body of all nations of the world, watching their interests with impartiality. It had no jurisdictions to delegate such mandatory powers to anybody. A British Minister wrote a letter to Lord Rothschild, a distinguished banker belonging to a Jewish family of France, that the British cabinet was contemplating the enforcement of a decision in compliance with the mandate passed by the League of Nations. The question becomes, who invested such authority to the League of Nations to dispose of the fate of a nation in this manner, and then authorize the same country, which had made a promise to the Jews, to go ahead and enforce its will in whatever manner it liked. During the course of further research, it comes to light that the League of Nations mandate system was devised as a means for developed countries to guide non-developed countries to independence and self-government.

That was the philosophy behind the mandate system. Lord Balfour was aware of this but he intentionally contravened its aim. In this regard he was a man who performed a most sinister role. In order to bypass the mandate system he wrote a secret memorandum to the British Cabinet, which has been included in Paul Harper's book, The Arab-Israeli Issue. Lord Balfour stated:

"In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country...the Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is ... of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit this ancient land"(Page 33).

In regards to the early migration of Jews to Palestine, there are conflicting reports, Paul Harper writes:

"At the end of the First world War, after 32 years of concentrated efforts 56,000 Jews, according to the British Census of 1918 had been settled in Palestine on some 2 per cent of its land area. British rule was the opportunity for the Zionist movement to turn what was still a dream into a reality" (Page 33)
"By 1929 there were 156,000 immigrants (Jews) owning 4 percent of the total area of Palestine, but 14 percent of its cultivatable land" (page 35).

After 1929 and until 1948 when the Mandate came to an end there was a rapid increase in the migration of Jews to Palestine. In 1947 when the UN announced the partition of Palestine, thus creating the State of Israel, the population of the Jews had increased from 85,000 in 1919 to a phenomenal 700,000 in 1947!

On May 17, 1939, prior to the beginning of World War 2, the British government published a White Paper that spelled a change in foreign policy. At that time Mr. Chamberlain was heading the British Government. He expressed his opinion that the world was standing at the brink of a second World War. At that crucial juncture if the British government had decided to go against the Jews and incur their enmity or decide against the large Muslim community and antagonize them, this his advise would be to favor the Muslims. Note, that the earlier British decision in this regard was taken soon after World War 1, and the 2nd British stance was expressed, as noted above, just before World War 2. It was felt that the earlier decision by the British was based merely on political expediency, and so it was not realistic. In pursuance of this decision the British government formally announced that it does not favor establishing a Jewish state in Palestine and that it does not accept the right of Jews that they should have a separate state in that area.

Had teh British been honest in their intentions they should have surrendered that Mandate to the League of Nations for the simple reason that this Mandate was assigned to Britain under conditions that prevailed in 1917, but now, in the present circumstances it was an outdated document. In this way their Mandate would have become obsolete. But again in 1946, as the war ended, they changed their mind on the decision taken before the war and permitted the quota of 100,000 Jews to be settled in Palestine. By 1947, i.e., towards the end of the period for which this Mandate was valid, the UN announced a plan according to which Palestine was to be partitioned into 2 separate states for Jews and Muslim Arabs. By this time the Jewish population had swollen to 700,000 as against the Arab population of 2 million depicting a ratio of 1:3. Looking at the original Mandate of 85,000 one wonders how did it rise to 700,000! Further research reveals that Jews were secretly smuggled into Palestine, in large numbers. Whenever the British tried to stop the influx of Jews, the Jews rioted and rebelled against the British authorities, threatening retaliatory actions. So the inflow of Jews into Palestine continued unchecked until it reached a ration of 7:20. Later the UN met to decide how much territory would be given to the Jews and how much to the Arab Muslims, by partitioning the country. Even in this matter they favored the Jews by deciding the Jews get 56% of the area of Palestine and 44% to the Arab Muslims. They further decided that the City of Jerusalem which was located on the Arab side be under international supervision, arguing that it contained the holy places equally sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

Whatever insignificant area was left behind would be given to Arab Muslims but it was not. The resolution also had a provision that, prior to the formation of governments of the 2 groups in their respective area, the British government would continue to cooperate and coordinate with the UN and its nominated committees for implementing this plan. But in effect, the British government refused to cooperate in this matter. Unfortunately, there was no one to organise the Muslims. This led to complete chaos and disorder among the Arab community for there was no competent Muslim organization to help them form that Muslim government.

When this mandate came to an end in 1948, the hurried manner in which the British government relinquished control and abandoned the area, is unprecedented. When they left India, they had ensured that a clear-cut line of demarcation separated the 2 newly created countries, and legitimate governments took charge. The British government neither took any such precaution till the final day of their stay in Palestine, nor did it let the UN do it. They packed up and everything they had in Palestine by 11:30 am and their ships left the Palestinian waters at 12 pm that day. This is how they abandoned that country. It was an act of cruelty towards the Palestinians who suffered abandonment amid the chaos.

As for the Jews, they had 2 established organizations capable of safeguarding their interests. One of them was working under the command of Manachem Begin which was initially designed to be a strong terrorist group set up well before 1948, to carry out terrorist activities against the Arabs, when necessary, even against the British. The second organization was operating under the leadership of David Ben Gurion. The Jews received large supplies of arms from US sources, on an ongoing basis. This set up was further divided into 3 or 4 sub-organizations whose aim, besides establishing an effective government, was to not only defend their own territory but grab more territory from the Arabs. So for a period of 1.5 years (1948-1949), skirmishes between the Arabs and the Jews continued in which some neighboring Arab states also participated. Although these states were assisting the Palestinian Muslims but no formal declaration of war was made against Israel by any Muslim country. Generally this limited their participation to extending a helping hand to the distressed Arabs living in Palestine. With the cessation of hostilities in 1948 a truce was reached to maintain peace in the region, the Jews had succeeded in occupying 75% of the Palestinian land as against their original allocation of 56%. This provides a fairly clear picture of the conduct of the UN and the behavior of the British government and its ally, US, who kept watching these developments as silent spectators much to the disadvantage of Arabs.

The essence in this case is that a conspiracy of the Western powers, in which the defunct League of Nations and subsequently its successor, the UN actively participated and the government of Britain and the US played a pivotal role, resulted in the emergence of a Jewish state in Palestine which no standard of Justice, International Law, or the Charter of the UN would have sanctioned. They could not have moved a step towards the creation of Israel without the active connivance of these great powers. Anyhow, the fateful decision was taken and, ever since, this region has been a scene of armed conflicts and a hot bed of international intrigues.

(All information was taken from the book, THE GULF CRISIS & THE NEW WORLD ORDER by Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad published in 1992.

I shall continue on about the horrible atrocities committed by Israeli's in the name of "defense".

I would also like to say that there are plenty of just-minded fair Jews out there who opposed the creation of Israel. I am in no way condemning Jews in totality. It is only for those of Israel.

So what you're pretty much saying, is that Jews arrived from Eastern Europe and Russia in the 1880s, either fleeing oppression or following the Zionist dream. And Arabs from neighboring countries flocked to jobs created by Jewish immigrants.

Then, In 1917, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration and promised "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish People."

The British then turned around and gave over 77 percent of Palestine to the Arab Hashemites, for what later became Jordan. The remaining 23 percent, west of the River Jordan, was supposedly for the Jews.

But in 1947, the UN voted to partition that 23 percent of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. The Israelis accepted the plan and in 1948 proclaimed the establishment of their state. Neighboring Arab nations, however, rejected both the partition and the idea of a Jewish state and launched a massive invasion of Israel.

Makes sense to me!

A "massive invasion"? How did it come to that? You could only say that it was a massive invasion if the neighboring countries then tried to destroy it. I have laid bare your deceit, you cannot hide behind the cover of ignorance no more. The only reason that land was created was because the Jews conspired with the British- while the British double-dealed the Arabs. The Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community has laid it all bare for the world to take notice. My hand is sore from all the typing, so I shall next describe the hostilities by Israel later on. God-willing, the curse will be on the liars.

Merkava do you think that the opposition that you faced in this site is mild? You will never defeat me in an argument. Those same facts that you twist I shall lay bare for all those who read to judge the truth for themselves. Surely, truth has become manifest from falsehood. Bring forth your next fallacious argument. In fact, why don't you tell us about those Jewish terrorist groups that carried out terrorist acts against the British when they didn't get something done their way. Why don't you describe those Jewish fundamentalists that blew up buildings, that murdered pregnant women, that butchered children? Feel free to display your arrogance, the plan of the Jews will never succeed. Those Jews that control any portion of Palestine will fall, not to any physical weapon, but to the weapon of our supplications to God. God-willing, the curse be on the liars- whoever they may be!

Let me continue to harp on this point.
In Paul Harper's book, The Arab-Israeli Issue. Lord Balfour stated:

"In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country...the Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is ... of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit this ancient land"(Page 33).

In Paul Harper's book, The Arab-Israeli Issue. Lord Balfour stated:

"In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country...the Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is ... of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit this ancient land"(Page 33).

In Paul Harper's book, The Arab-Israeli Issue. Lord Balfour stated:

"In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country...the Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is ... of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit this ancient land"(Page 33).

Go look at my other thread regarding Jewish terrorism. Try to rationalize Meachem Begin. I will continue this topic after finals. Unless you say something really outrageous. Of course, that plan for Jewish world domination is going exactly as planned although "it has been debunked many times". What do you have to say about that. Of course, you can contrinue to put a spin on everything. What doesn't make sense is the fact that the British first said they weren't gonna create an Israel before WW2 then decided to create one after. You don't call that a collaboration with the Jews/Zionists? You are not denything those things obviously. Of course you can't take a Zionist at their word. For their so-called wars of defense they have captured more land everytime. Don't you worry, I won't ever stop coming at you. Your in for it.

Yes, the British were intriguied to create a Home for the Jews after Six million of them were slaughtered during WW2.

Yes they were intrigued to create a home for them after they were slaughtered, but why create it in the middle of Arabian lands? I have already told you that Germany was under the control of Britain and the US, so the Jews were protected! Where is the fairness of creating a land for the Jews come from? Just as many Russian were killed in WW2. Just as many Africans die of hunger every year. I place values on human lives not just Jewish lives. Get out of your biased and prejudiced thinking. The Jews deserved a land to call their own? Why did it happen to be in the Kingdom of David? Who is so naive as to think that the Jews and the Brits did not conspire. I think you have agreed to this fact as well! Who gave the UN the right to create a country without the permission of those dwelling there? Who gave the right to the Jews to have their own country when they escaped to Muslim ruled Palestine anyhow to escape the treacherous Christians in ages past. Muslims have NEVER committed crimes against any religious denomination. They have had quarrels from amongst their own sects, but they have never murdered en masse in the name of religion! Jews were free to come and go in Palestine as they liked? Why would they displace all those Palestinian Muslim's for the Jews? What kind of justice is this? God's curse be on the liars.

Now the pieces are falling off! Your wheels of deception have started to roll! The Muslims couldn't defend it so that is the reason the Jews had it handed to them! So your saying that when Muslim countries get their defenses then it will be hell to pay for Israel, right? So it would then be just for the Muslims to attack the Israel and drive the Zionists out, correct?

So it belonged to them first? That was 2000 years ago. We are talking about present-day. The composition of that area was all Arabs, until Jews were smuggled in illegally. What do you have to say to that?

Also, I think that people can read without you quoting them. But do whatever floats your boat! I think I have you on the ropes now. This is a fun game of chess, too bad you were at such a disadvantage.

Jewish immigration was illegal because it was ILLEGAL! Are Jews above the law? What right did they have to smuggle themselves in? Obviously, they weren't getting smuggled in too help out Palestinians, CUZ NOW THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN LAND! Obviously, the Jewish immigration didn't have totally pure motive did it? I don't care about the Jews anyhow. Whatever plans they plot are bound to fail. Anyhow, your defeat is in my signature. Arabs have the right to defend their land according to yourself! As I have already stated, Jews always found sanctuary in Muslim-ruled Palestine. Why do they continue to oppress the Arabs of that region? Are the Jews planning on attacking the rich Arab countries and taking control of the world's oil? Are the Jews planning on controlling the world's oil supply, get rich, and further develop theiri nuclear program? These are all parts of the Jewish conspiracy, beware lest it come to pass.

I see right through your fallacious arguments as if the falsehoods are blinking, continue on, if you have the determination. You've already broken anyhow.
CHECK OUT MERKAVA'S DEFEAT IN MY SIGNATURE!!!!

Haha, I'm a good man. I wish I could totally destroy you, but I dont' got time. Did you check out the Jewish massacre of Palestinians annually? Your arguments are far from convincing. I'm not desperate. I got work! Hold off your outrageous remarks one more week until after finals. Then I'll continue with more excerpts.

Are you frustrated? If we were speaking face to face, I would have probably had you throwing punches at me. Anyhow, I've already laid bare your deception for all the world to see.

CHECK OUT MY SIGNATURE!!!!

AND FOR MERKAVA'S PLEASURE

CHECK IT OUT AGAIN!!!!

Hello Dragonhalitosis, Please supply me with a source for different Palestinian immigration numbers that I have posted.

the easiet online is palestineremembered.com it also relies heavily on and references too Jewish scholars Few of them pro Arab.

thanks I'll look at it!

Truthful how do u look at signatures??

interesting

the only persons you can mean who devided and took the land away from the Jews were the Romans. the man who put down the Jewish revolt became emporer as did his son. the Roman Empire endured for several hundred more years it seems a very odd curse.

truthful...im glad that you brought up all these truth and facts...indeed.most americans have been fooled...thinking that Israel is their friend...these zionist are really planning to take over the world..every news channel you watch...its mostly all the jews they interview...it looks like they have all these high powered positions..

so come on america...stop being a moron and wake up!

american are dying left and right every day in IRAQ...while the israelis are enjoying coffee in a cafe in Haifa..

why are the israelis killing the palestinans day and night when it was the europeans who massacred them??????

for those of you...who does not like to read long boring history...let me give you a simple analogy..the problem the palestians are facing is equivalent to somebody taking over your house...stay in your house, then oppress you...telling you when you can cook, eat, crap, have sex..tell me how would you feel..

the palestinans were kind enough to let the jews on their land and instead of being gratefulll...look what happen now...so does it pay to be kind?

i salute the good rabbis in new york who are fighting justice for the Palestinans...they are fighting for a Palestine state..with the return of the refugees and that israel should be dissolved..

by the way..we never recognise it as israel..its OCCUPIED PALESTINE..

dont belive whatever you hear from these zionist controlled media...they are very good at lying and manipulating..soon they will even change the scripture of the bible and claim that it was muslims who killed jesus..

May the curse of GOD indeed fall on the liars and the oppressors!



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Good post wakeupusa (although i think you went a bit extreme wen u sed the zionists will change the bible and claim it was the muslims who killed jesus - cz it werent the jews, it were the romans, remember that) - however i completely agree with your point that the palestinians actually HELPED the jews illegally smuggle in their land in 1947, allowing them to live in Palestine. Were the jews grateful? Well, let's see - they took over their land, oppressing them, and placing them in refugee camps.