If you have read "The Gulf Crisis and New World Order" by Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad (RU) you would get a whole new view of the conditions of the world today. The Jews have set about a plan of action that is not conducive to world peace. They were the one's who basically created the UN to serve their own interests and then try to take over the world. The Jews have admitted as much in fact. I don't have the book with me, but I would like to provide you with a reference. Anyhow, as I recall the book stated that in 1905 a woman stole a manuscript of a prominent Jew that had all the plans laid out- capturing the Holy Land, world domination- and stole it and sold it. The Jews have admitted as much, seeing as to how it was published. It was published in a book that is not to be seen in bookstores anymore because of the fact that it was lifted off the shelves by Jews. The fact of the matter is anyhow, the Jews are stockpiling weapons. Nuclear as well as non-nuclear, but very destructive. They disguise it as a proper defense against Arab nations, seeing as to how they agree that the Arab nations should be mad that they stole their land conniving with the British and US, and that they have this right. What is not understood is the reason for such a stockpile. They have many other thoughts in mind besides their own defense. In fact, it would seem that they are preparing for revenge against the Christian nations that so brutally murdered them in the past. They murder Muslims with relative ease, and don't need the advanced weapons they are stockpiling to "defend" against the Arabs. Right now, they are only too happy to murder Muslims in order to gain support around the world, but that is only their transient plan. They must also be planning on expanding their land until they control the oil. The comparison that I have heard in regards to their getting the oil of the Arab countries is like a goat guarding its grains. It would never relinquish its control and thereby set about ways for which it advance its plans to a more sinister level.
I should like to write more about this when I have the book. I shall leave it at this.
Arab countries have attacked Israel 3 times? What about Israel attacking Jordan's west bank? What about Israel's expansion? Every time Israel "defends" itself they take new territory. Israel doesn't need nukes to defend itself, and definitely has no need to stockpile them. The US might think that Israel is its friend now, but I fear for the future. Israel attacks willy nilly at the slightest whim. What right do the Arabs have to defend themselves is what your saying, basically. The Arabs whose lands it was before the UN decided on a whim to give some of it to Israel. The UN which turns a blind eye towards Israel's aggression, and vehemenently abases any Arab country that dares defend itself or does anything which is in its own self-interest against the selfish interests of the west.
Jews - victims to tyranny and persecution in Europe
"....But the fact remains that the Jews were certainly justified in saying that the Christian Western world subjected the Jews to such sustained horrifying cruelties that have no parallel in history. The crusades which began in the year 1095 started from France and it was probably Lord Godfrey of Bouillon who took the lead. When he and other French monarchs embarked on this campaign or the first crusade they thought of performing an act of "charity" before embarking upon such a momentous task. So Godfrey of Bouillon put forward the idea that the best charity is to avenge the crucifixion of Jesus Christ (as) by slaughtering all the Jews. Just as the Muslims have an institution of offering animal sacrifice or charity before they proceed to accomplish important tasks, similarly their idea took the form of a genocide in France. We do not find many examples of an unarmed nation being subjected to such extreme cruelties in the entire human history. So this was the so-called "act of charity" that they performed before embarking upon the first crusade. Then this became a common practice, and for the next two hundred years that before embarking on each crusade, the Jews would be randomly slain as an act of charity!"
(A speech by Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad (RU) in 1991)
What's more, it is well-documented that the Jews escaped to Muslim ruled Palestine to escape this aggression. The Muslims treated them most kindly. This is how they pay them back? It is only God's wraith that will descend on these people. The western nations think that they can trick the Jews by focusing their aggression on the Muslims when they were the one's commintting these atrocities on them, you'll see, the Jews never forget. Their eye for an eye ideology will take form against the countries that they are allied with soon enough.
"From another angle it would be more accurate to say that Israel, and not President Bush brought the world to heel, and that the United States itself has joined the pack, at the heel of the hunter. This gives a more accurate picture and the world views the recent events in this perspective."
"Thus in destroying an imaginary Hitler in Saddam, the Americans and their allies are in fact fostering the state of Israel which has assumed the posture of a real Hitler. How ignorant and devoid of inner vision is the West? Does it not realize that it was Israel which is the first place called Saddam and the Palestinians as Hitler? By raising the Hitler-bogey, the West is patronizing a "Hitler" and if they do not realize, the future will reveal what Israel's motives are and how Israel will treat the United States and the West."
Originally posted by Truthful What about Israel attacking Jordan's west bank? What about Israel's expansion?
Uhh, You really need a history lesson. Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, Israel won the war, and conquered the land in a defensive war. Land conquered in a defensive war goes to the victor.
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Originally posted by Truthful Israel doesn't need nukes to defend itself, and definitely has no need to stockpile them.
Iraq was hard at work at making Nuclear weapons back in 1982 -Before anyone knew of Israel's nuclear weapons - and Saddam made it clear that the main reason he was building the nuclear weapons was to destroy Israel. Now we have countries like Iran hard at work to get Nuclear weapons - So tell me again, WHY should Israel drop its only line of defense in nuclear warfare?
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Originally posted by Truthful The UN which turns a blind eye towards Israel's aggression, and vehemenently abases any Arab country that dares defend itself or does anything which is in its own self-interest against the selfish interests of the west.
Thats the pot calling the kettle black.
Why dont you go compare resolutions passed against Israel vs. Any other Arab country. The UN has a massive Arab Majority - this is fact.
Woah, Merkava. Check your facts out. In the 1967 war it was Israel who attacked Jordan first, in a preemptive strike. This was because of "intelligance" that they received - more like an excuse to capture some more land. And Truthful, the UN don't turn a blind eye to Israel's aggression - they have condemned Israel 70 times in breach of international law. It is the US who turn a blind eye - and because of the US nothing further has been done about Israel's oppression of the Palestinians.
Originally posted by antizionist2004 Woah, Merkava. Check your facts out. In the 1967 war it was Israel who attacked Jordan first, in a preemptive strike. This was because of "intelligance" that they received - more like an excuse to capture some more land.
It was a preemptive strike, but on Egypt, not Jordan. Jordan Struck first, and it had nothing to do with capturing more land. With (1)Syria Constantly attacking Israeli kibbutzim on the Golan Heights, (2)Egyptian troops moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border on Israel's day of Independance, (3)Nasser ordering the UN emergency force to withdraw from the Sinai, And finally (4)Egypt closing off the Tiran to prevent any ships reaching Eilat - it was obvious the Arabs were preparing to invade again.
Had Israel not attacked first, she would have had a major Disadvantage.
As for Jordan, Israel said she wouldnt attack the west bank as long as Jordan didnt begin any hostilities. As soon as Egyptian planes began attacking Israel (or atleast thats what the Jordanians thought was happening..), Jordan began shelling West Jerusalem - an obvious act of war.
Cry all you want mrs. Anti-Zionist, The land was conquered fair and square, by the IDF.
Not really. The west bank was not theirs to take, and neither was Israel (although that is a different matter entirely). It was a preemptive strike on Egypt, but not just on Egypt, this was an attack on the Arab world. Egypt were just the first Arab country to be attacked, that is the way it was. To say this was not an attack on Jordan is ridiculous. It is like saying if Russia bombed Washington DC then it is not really an attack on America and the other states like New York, of course it would be, just because it is not the exact same land they are still all Americans, like Syria and Egypt were all Arabs.
I am going to drop some knowledge on you after I research it. Also, I want to preempt it by saying that their are plenty of just-minded fair Jews in the world that opposed the creation of Israel, and still oppose it. I would also like to say that I know that the UN passes resolutions and the US veto's them. Anyhow, I hope to give so many facts that Merkava is rendered speechless.
Originally posted by antizionist2004 The west bank was not theirs to take, and neither was Israel (although that is a different matter entirely).
'Israel" belonged to Britain after WWI. Britain could have done whatever it wanted to with the land. They decided to split it between the Arabs and the Jews. So did the UN.
As for the West Bank, as soon as Israel conquered in a Defensive war, it became there's to take. Welcome to the concept of warfare.
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Originally posted by antizionist2004 It was a preemptive strike on Egypt, but not just on Egypt, this was an attack on the Arab world. Egypt were just the first Arab country to be attacked, that is the way it was.
Do I really need to repeat why Israel was completely justified in Attacking Egypt first? The world Knew Egypt started the war. Egypt did what it did because it wanted a war. They just weren't expecting Israel's quick and effective strike.
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Originally posted by antizionist2004 To say this was not an attack on Jordan is ridiculous.
Why? Since when is the truth ridiculous? Jordan Shelled Israel before Israel touched Jordan. Israel attacked Egypt because of the numerous acts of war Egypt claimed on Israel.
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Originally posted by antizionist2004 It is like saying if Russia bombed Washington DC then it is not really an attack on America and the other states like New York, of course it would be, just because it is not the exact same land they are still all Americans, like Syria and Egypt were all Arabs.
Cities are cities and countries are countries. The Jordanians attacked Israel because they thought Egypt was attacking Israel. Big mistake.
Originally posted by Truthful I am going to drop some knowledge on you after I research it. Also, I want to preempt it by saying that their are plenty of just-minded fair Jews in the world that opposed the creation of Israel, and still oppose it. I would also like to say that I know that the UN passes resolutions and the US veto's them. Anyhow, I hope to give so many facts that Merkava is rendered speechless.
Yeah, you really do need to go do some reasearch. Don't be suprised if you find exactly what i posted - its right out of my college history book.
Originally posted by Truthful
...They were the one's who basically created the UN to serve their own interests and then try to take over the world. The Jews have admitted as much in fact.
You're high, right? The U.N. is the most anti-Israel organization there is, and you think Jews created it as a tool for world control?
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Originally posted by Truthful I don't have the book with me, but I would like to provide you with a reference. Anyhow, as I recall the book stated that in 1905 a woman stole a manuscript of a prominent Jew that had all the plans laid out- capturing the Holy Land, world domination- and stole it and sold it. The Jews have admitted as much, seeing as to how it was published. It was published in a book that is not to be seen in bookstores anymore because of the fact that it was lifted off the shelves by Jews.
The book is called the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and has been debunked many times over.
How come this forum has so many Jew-haters? How come I can't cut and paste?
The Jordanians attacked Israel because they thought Egypt was attacking Israel. Big mistake.