Return of the King-what do you want to see?-may contain spoilers

Lord of the Rings Trilogy Forum

For the last movie, what do you really want to see portrayed? I want to see the relationship between Merry and King Theoden. I found it so touching in the book and I want to see that love there in the film. I also want to see the scenes with fight on the fields of Gondor done right. The emotion and the loss, Merry going to the City. Your thoughts?

The ride of the Grey Company... I want to see that whole part.

When they are in the mountain... path of the dead.

Don't flame me, but I will quote Smith here: "I want what you want, Mr. Anderson. I want everything."

Sherry... feeling a LITTLE excited? Have you already bought tickets? I think that we can get them ahead of time!!!

Wow! I still need the release date so I can get a sitter lined up for the first Sat. show after it opens.

It's in theatres on Wed, Dec 17th. I guess that we can't see it together.. because Heidi and I leave Fri the 19th for San Fran for the holidays. Oh well... we will talk about it when we get home the following weekend!!!

We don't get it until Boxing Day damn you!!!!!

I am looking forward to the Path of the Dead. It would be good if they could put it all in, but we all know that is not possible.

I am looking forward to Merry and Pippin returning to the Shire as heroes after they grow big and strong from Entdraught. But Entdraught was never mentioned in the other movies, so who knows how they will do it.

Well... they showed it in the deleted scenes in the extended version!!
So, who knows... and if it's not in the movie when it hit's the theatres, maybe it will be in the extended dvd when that comes out.
I heard that this third film is longer than the other two... even the theatre version! Can't wait.

I heard that this one will be the longest too, someone said nearly three and a half hours, but that seems too much even for these guys.

If they had put Shelob in the 2nd movie where she belonged, we wouldn't have this problem.

I know. I wish shelob was in TTT also. It would have been a great cliff-hanger to have Frodo "dead" right at the end of the movie. I hope they do a good job with that scene in the last movie!

Isn't Shelob the spider?

Yes. I think they should have done what jbone03 said and ended TT with us thinking that he is dead, but like the book, have Sam find out that he is alive. It would have been great.

I don't understand why so much was changed!!!

Now, they are going through that area in the RotK... so, will Shelob be in this one? Will they include the betrayel of Gollum?

Yes, I HAVE seen the trailer.... I was just making sure! And I know that Gollum is in it. Didn't know about Shelob!

Shelob is in it for just a second, so you may have missed him/her/it. Watch it again!!!

Okay... I will. I just hope that they aren't chopping tons of stuff out.

Did anyone see the special on ABC Thursday night. Some behind the scenes things. I didn't even know it was coming on. I just happened upon it and I am glad that I did. I am soooo excited. Dec 17 can't come fast enough. I'm not even counting down to Xmas. I am too preoccupied with ROTK

i want to see bill the pony again. it'll ruin the whole trilogy for me if bill isn't in RoTK. well, maybe 'ruin' is a little harsh. but it would be a nice touch. at least for me.

I want to see the transformation of Smeogel into Gollum

Have you seen the LOTR 10 minute teaser on the Extended LOTR Two Towers? Oh, that's nice.
From what I understand from the interviews - Shelob will be in this one, and The two Towers the book version, ends with Gandalf and the others Riding to Isengard (hope that's spelled right), and peter is going to start the third one out that way.

in killer news - I ordered the special Gollum statue, only 7500 in the world, and i received it today, and it is signed by the artist, peter jackson AND Andy (the actor who played gollum)
And each one was hand painted and hand created O.O
I thought that was pretty cool.
ANYWAYS, I cannot wait for midnight, December 16th!

Thanks for the information. I wish I could go to the first show, but with two little kids, I have to wait for the Saturday after it opens so that I will have a sitter.

Congratulations on the statue. It sounds wonderful.

I can't go till two weeks after it opens. Torture!!!!

I soooo hope that we get to see the transformation of Gollum. He's my favorite.

Larke, that would be so cool to see Deagol find the ring. I have a feeling that will end up on the extended DVD. They have to have some cool things in there for us to want to buy it.

Another way to get our money!

I hate that, all this extra stuff on the DVD versions. Can't they just put it al in the movies so we don't have to wait for the DVD to come out to see the important stuff?

I hope they do put the Gollum stuff in like u said, that would be cool.

I too missed Bill the Pony Larke. It is the smaller details like that, that made the book so good. I miss the small details in the movies.

Hey, I watched that special on Thursday. They didn't show much on that last part where Elrond was talking to Arwen. I was wishing they would have showed more-_-'

Just a quick note... do you not think that you are going to get your hopes up? By reading the book first... everyone knows that
very rarely does a movie live up to the expectations of the book.
I mean sure... I cheated, and I know how it all goes down (for the most part) with Shebol and the end at Mount Doom... but I am not going to get my hopes up that the directors actually thought of their patrons and decided to include all the stuff that WE know would make it a better movie. If that was the case, they would send out polls asking US how they should make their next movie.
I'm out!

Sorry, my bad... I was in a hurry and mispelled Shelob!
I'm out!

They did the first one really well and that got my hopes up a lot, but after the second, I'm not really getting my hopes up. I just hope they have the ending right or I'll go and hunt down PJ myself!

i think it's a good idea to have read the books before seeing the films. some who haven't read the books can easily find themselves a bit overwhelmed at first, which can turn them off of the story even with the utterly amazing visual representation. i know several people who have seen the movies without reading the books and it took quite a bit of warming up to them. i have yet to talk to someone (face to face) that has been disappointed in how the books have portrayed Tolkien's masterpiece. so i would highly recommend reading the books first. of course if you haven't read them, i strongly suggest you not try and start today your reading of the entire book trilogy and try to finish in time for The Return of the King debut.

Well said Larke. I absolutely love Tolkiens works. I do think reading the books helps. I personally was very pleased with the movies. I did not care for the expanded Arwen part. My husband thinks she got a bigger role to draw in the teenage boys. He may have a point.

Sex sells! Isn't that how the saying goes? And Liv Tyler is a pretty good looking elf-lady! Not to sound geeky, but I have always been into the Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms books, so I like the fantasy that the LOTR series introduces into Cinema.
I don't usually like reading the Novel before a movie... but in these types of cases... it is hard to resist. I mean in a trilogy where the movies are so far apart, you keep asking yourself...but then what? So, sometimes it isn't all bad when you read before watching! Just don't get too upset if it doesn't fit. Directors are professionals when it comes to letting down the public just because they didn't think it fit, or that it needed a change!
I'm out!

Hey Lil' Washu, I agree with ya'll! If it doesn't pan out, I'll help ya!
I'm out!

Too bad that you lost them, KJ, I have about three hundred of each and I'm still collecting. These people I work with over here keep asking to borrow them... uh uh!!! They're rabid dogs. They'll mess em' up!
I'm out!

the whole expanded arwen role actually is in the appenidx of the book. yes i am a tolkein nerd. but anyway...the precioussss...oopss....uh..
oh yeah...the witch king of angmar...bwahahahaha...sorry i have an affinity for dark scary characters that kill/psyche out poeple with ease.
i think the most anticlimactic part of the book is when gandalf and the witch king are about to duke it out..but then stuff happens (i won't spoil it for ya'll by telling what) so they don't.
but on the LOTR website they got an interview with Sean Astin (samwise) who says that PJ put alot of work into Shelob, because tolkein put a fair amount in the book about this fairly minor character.

Well, it's not that I am worried that they will leave something out ... as I have said before, leave stuff out if you have to, but just don't add something in that wasn't there before. I am glad that they are going to put the effort into it.
When does that come out? The 19th?
I'm out!

TearUUp, I sent you a pm...

Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance


That's a thread in the books forum for Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance

Did I just get into trouble for talking about that here?
I'm out!

No... not at all, I was just saying that I've made a thread in that forum so that we could talk about it! Glad to find another person out there that reads those books!

Alright, sounds like a plan!
I'm out!

They just have to put something about the history of Numenor and the West World in it. And the whole thing about elves leaving Midlle Earth, splitting with humans... somehow putting the story of Aragorn and Arwen in the middle of it all. No, actually a new film should be made for that solely! I like that parallel of the story probably even more than the action and magic and funny little hobits.
Hey a great forum by the way. I wish i saw it earlier...

I just did not care for the expanded role of Arwen. Yes, I have read all the appendices. I did not like that they had HER be the one to rescue Frodo at the Ford in the first movie. I understand that they need to tell the love story, but a warrior type elf, she was not.

Who saved Frodo at the Ford in the book? I forget.

One of the elves from Rivendell, i think.

I agree with the Love story needing to pan off for a whole other movie! Sure they have to throw it in, it is in the book! But, it sort of draws away from the action. I guess they also put it in for empathy towards the people who don't like these types of movies (not to sound sexist, but that IS usually females) so that there is something of interest for them too?
I'm out!

I don't like when movie makers change the story. They have to stay true to the author. If Arwen didn't save Frodo in the book, then she shouldn't have saved him in the movie. I think Peter Jackson did a great job on the movies but he should've honored Tolkien by staying with his version of the story.

Hey Heather, I totally agree with you! I think I've complained about that on other threads with Gaboman! It's okay if you have to leave stuff out... but don't put s#$t in there that wasn't there before!

Exactly, I understand for time reasons deleting some parts, but changing things is not right. If they want to get creative, then write their own story.

Amen, preach it Heather! I can't appreciate the unwritten changes. Maybe if you never read the books you'd never be the wiser...but...make the movie the right way, or don't make it!

Hey, are ya'll gonna check out the new one soon, or would ya rather wait for the DVD? I myself want to watch it as soon as possible, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna be like the freaks around here and show up on opening day dressed like a Hobbit!

Plus Tolkien's story is just... better. I guess Jackson makes it lighter for the wider public, but it's just not it.

I won't go see it the first 2 weeks. It will be like a dweeb convention. No way. I'll wait until after Christmas.

Yes it will, but it is sort of fun to laugh at all of the freaks dressed up as their favorite LOTR character! Like Star Wars, I say fools all decked out like Darth Vader and Chewbacca! I'm sure to have a good laugh at a few orcs or ents this time!

I will see it within it's first week... but not the first few days!
We're going up north for xmas, so we will see it up there.

I too don't think that PJ should have changed things! Sure, leave things out, because of time constraints, and put them in in the extended dvd. No problem... but DONT change the story. That sucks in my opinion!

The Jury has voted! Off with PJ's head! Kidding, he did a pretty good job in general. He may live... for now!

i will be there the 17th. there's no way i can wait any longer. i can hardly wait to see it.

mm, I will handle things just fine!

Nope... not offended! I'm not worried about the HP movie. The books are all I really care about. The movies are good... but they aren't the books. I could live without the movies.

Now, with LotR, I want the movies. I absolutely LOVE them.

No, I am not offended! I haven't ever read up on an HP novel! And the moives are...eh, but I do like LOTR so any changes made there will be met with swift vengence!

Peter will be too busy rolling in money to worry about his head.

Oh, and the maniacs are the ones who speak elvish. I don't think anyone here does.

I am only going to buy the extended version.

I will buy both. I have on the first two. I usually will give the original to someone who's not interested in buying the extended!! But, who knows, might keep 'em all. I gave the FOTR to my brother when the extended came out. Don't know if I will give him TTT or not... because he wants the extended anyway.

I only buy it once! Then I burn copies and give them to my family! Why buy it twice. I see it in the theater once, then when it comes out on extended DVD.

Hmmm, maybe I should tell Peter Jackson to watch his head, especailly when he is near LOTR maniacs!!!

p.s. No offence to you TearUUp.
Hey, I am not a maniac! No offense taken though! I just think things need to be done the right way! Not the usual producer or director way. I never said that PJ wasn't getting the job done. I just don't want the guy changing things around. It's all good though.

That is why I'm here! That is actually my nickname in real life, I recieved it back when I used to be a firefighter! Now I'm a computer geek! I like movies to have what is in the book... nothing more. It's all good, it takes a whole lot more than that to offend me!

Bar fight, long story...hey...I have an idea!

Um, remember that scene in, uh LOTR II... I'm trying to make it sound like it is related. The scene where the orcs want meat and the uruki dude kills that one orc and says "it looks like meats
back on the menu boys"?

No, it wasn't like that! It was just a brawl... no hobbits running for their lives, no orcs being eaten... although I remember getting bit!

Um, no that's not it either. I picked him by his shirt and jeans and they ripped when I did so....everyone started refering to me as "he'll tear you up!" Then they shortened it down to TearUUp!
Lame, I know! I have matured since then... but the nickname has stuck with me... it's unavoidable!

I had a good idea for a thread but I didn't know where to put it and I don't know if I submitted it right?

Yes, but where to put it!? It doesn't really belong with LOTR!

Aha, I followed your advice! It is in the flamer's ward. Nah, I don't wanna chump noone, just an idea on user names that you gave me by asking me how I came up with mine!