Is anyone really surprised?

Michael Jackson Forum

It's deja vu. Another kid, a cancer victim no less, is making allegations against MJ.

So, we have to choices of what to believe: this child is lying and they want to extort money from him OR the kid is telling the truth.

We know of the allegations and we know of the man. Even the most normal, natural person in the world could be capable of horror's beyond imagination. However, MJ has exhibited very odd behavior over the years, that is fact.

MJ goes places after they close, like department stores, with no one around, and has them disinfected before going in. The man has bleached his skin white and had dozens of nose jobs. He wears surgical masks in public and makes his kid wear them also. Not to mention the baby dangling incident. Now, is any of this harmful? No. Does it make him a child molester? No. Is it normal behavior? No.

But he's admitted to having young boys sleep in the same room as him.

Plus, we've been through this before... you can read the police report from MJ's first alleged victim (who he paid off, by the way) on TheSmokingGun.com.

And what is with all these snap judgement fans proclaiming his innocence. It's like the Kobe situation. People latch onto celebrity public persona and figure they know them as a person, what they are like when the spotlight is off them. Ridiculous.

When we get down to it, I am not surprise by this. I thought the last allegation was going to bury him. I feel that he has committed these crimes and should go to jail for a long time.

He is innocent until proven guilty and he will see his day in court. I just hope the truth comes out.

-HECK!

No suprise.....I think everyone was waiting for this to happen.

Who knew it would take 10 years!

Even with the whole world watching and suspecting, waiting for one mistake, it looks like M.J. just could not stop himself.

I used to be a fan, and I still like the Thriller album, but how can I listen to that knowing it came from a child molester?

(if it turns out to be true, which sadly, I think it is)

I have felt true pity for the man over what he has done to his face over the years. He has mutilated himself. I was not mad at him, I felt sorry for him.

Sexually abusing a child does not get my pity however, if he is found guilty, he needs to spend a long long time in jail, multi millionaire or not.

Jail will not cure his mental illness, but it will keep future children safe.

I agree, whidden, and IF he is found guilty, I will not listen to ANY music of his ever again. I'm not a fan, but he's got some music that I have enjoyed over the years. That won't change... but me listening to them will, IF, and only if, he is guilty.

I agree, but KJ, what if he just pays this person off like the last one? I will follow the case out of mild interest, but if I see enough evidence, he'll be guilty in my mind. Hell, even O.J. got 12 people to think he was not guilty (but that's a horse of a different color.)

-HECK!

Well... one, MJ doesn't have that kinda money now, from what the sources are reporting. And two... I believe that this is the SAME family that filed against him 10 years ago. I'm NOT 100% sure... but I thought that I read that somewhere. Don't know though.

OJ didn't get 12 people to think that he wasn't guilty. It was beyond a reasonable doubt that got him that not guilty verdict. The jury... well, a lot of them, were interviewed and they said that, after the trial, and finding out things that were kept from them, they would have said guilty. So, OJ got lucky... but, that is one guilty bastard in my eyes. Will MJ be the same? Who knows... time will tell.

you see, the fact is now though that he can't simply throw however many millions of dollar at this victim and walk away, his career was going to hell, and this is a public relations disaster any way you slice it, not to mention he actually has formal charges to deal with. Sorry, but he can't bribe a district attorney, and they've made it known that they're out for blood this time. But the bottom line fact being, we expect this kind of behavior out of MJ, i mean every year it seems he becomes a little more strange and a little less human-looking. One thing is completely clear though, it's gonna be a hell of a ride.

we've all been waiting for next sensational trial, the next O.J., well here it is. maybe now we'll actually see someone guilty go away.

Can you imagine doing time for your simple crime of murder, or theft and all of a sudden they bring in M.J. to be your cell mate?

Oh yeah... well, I believe that since it deals with child molestation, he would be put in seperate cells... away from general population, like other child molestors. They get killed if not!!!

actually, here's something i once recall reading somewhere that in a census depicting penitentiary crime rates, child molesters and rapists are the number one victims, even more so than murderers? i found that kind of interesting, and in dear MJ's case, one could consider the molestation charges nothing short of an isolated incident from 93, given he went on with his life, but with these new ones coming one has to stop and think if 93 was merely a bid to save a sinking ship, or protect his so-called innocence?

I don't condone murder in anyway, but most murderers are nice enough people.
They get involved in drugs and kill a fellow drug dealer or something simular.
(with the exception of serial killers and conveinence store robbers)

They get along with each other in prision.
Killers, thieves and drug dealers have familys most of the time and often times even children. When they are locked up in the same jail with child molesters, it makes them mad, so they put a hurtin on them if possible.

Like K.J. said, M.J. would probaly get a cell alone like Tim McViegh did, or other high profile celebrity felons.

I wonder if he will leave the country. He has a private jet, the passport they took will not stop him from using that to enter some Island country with no extradition treaty with the states.

There is no way he will leave....they are probably watching him pretty closely!

I'm sorry, but I can not see MJ leaving the country. He's going to stay and fight these charges.

I was not surprised at all at the charges. I think his behavior with children is highly inappropriate and I don't understand why any sane person would let their kid around this freak. The victim this time is a different kid who is suffering from cancer. I suppose the parents thought MJ would never harm a sick kid. Only MJ and the kid know if the allegations are true, but I suspect that they are. I just hope that the kid is protected from the media. If it is true, if it is a lie, the kid is a victim.

After those "documentaries" where he said all that stuff about kids sleeping in his bed, I definately thought it was wierd. I have always thought Michael was wierd (who didn't) but I always had hope that maybe he had been misjudged and really was just a kid at heart who enjoyed being children and making them happy.

Now though, I think we can all assume that he is doing wrong, especially after reading the documents from the last Case in 1993. MJ needs help, real help. I hope that now he can get it.

The more and more I read about this whole fiasco, I think people probably could have seen it coming... again. I thought he was guilty the first time. It's time to put this freak show to an end.

-HECK!

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
It must be a duck.

I agree that MJ exhibits odd behavior but he has also lived an odd life since birth. What wound any of us be like growing up in his shoes? Nobody knows the answer to that for certain.

While MJ conducts himself in unusual ways, in the eyes of an 'average' person, it doesn't mean he is without good intentions or make him any more of a potential child molester than anyone else. My take on MJ, having never met him in real life, is that he seems be a gentle person with generally better intentions than most of us.

MJ is 45 years old with 2 claims of child molestation 10 years apart. Look what happened when that catholic bishop was charged with the same thing. All kinds of people came out of the woodwork the second the news spread about the charges. This is typical when there is a high probability of guilty.

I don't claim to know the truth but I do believe that if he is guilty of child molesting, more kids would be coming forward. His victims would want to see him burn but as it looks, it's just the media that wants that.

Senator, keep in mind that the people who came out about being abused by the priests were adults. MJ is a wealthy man. Many children do not tell of abuse until they are adults because they feel shame, fear, and guilt. Just because there are not a ton of kids saying that he abused them, does not make it a possibility that the two kids or even one of them are telling the truth. We just don't know.

Agreed you two... we just don't know the truth. And, we might not ever know the truth. Time will tell when the evidence is brought forward.

If he did do it though, I have to say that I agree with Senator. If there are even more "victims" of MJ's, I would hope that they would come crawling out of the woodworks and reporting this as well.

I've stated this time and again... we don't know if he did this or not... and I will not say that he is guilty yet. He's a freak... and he's very child-like, but that does not mean that he molested children. I hope that he didn't... because I don't want to know that more kids have been abused by any adult.

I do not know if Jackson is innocent or guilty and it is not my place to make accustaions either way.
But I when it comes to trial I think that he has some serious explaning to do about that secret childrens bedroom.

I believe that it is a RUMOR at this time, that there is supposedly a secret room, across the hall from MJ's bedroom.... the door is hidden. Inside is supposed to be photo's and other things. But, like I said... I've heard one mention of that... and it's a rumor at this point.

it's all over the news in this country, ther is some sort of room hidden behind a cupboard it is full of toys and videos and pictures of babies all over the wall and a signed picture of Macauly Culkin that say something along the line of don't leave me in this freaky room.
I don't think it is a rumour because I have definitly seen videos of this on the news.

From my understanding, MJ paid this kids medical expenses.
Just something that I heard on some news report. Don't know if it's true though.

Yes... because he is a celebrity, he is a target, for many different things.

But... because he is a celebrity, it does not mean that he is innocent. Wait until all the facts come out. He might be innocent, and he might be guilty. Who knows... but WE do NOT know. You don't personally know MJ... you aren't his family, or his friend. We will just have to wait and see.

I swear on my life this room and the video is for real I cannot believe you have not seen it in the states it has been all over the news here, though a hidden room does not prove guilt it certainly is one more thing he has to explain.

Well, having a "secret room" doesn't surprise me. If I was rich... I would have something like that in my own house... fire proof room... with some special things in it!! And you're right... that doesn't prove guilt at all.

No it doesn't prove guilt but it certainly is a freaky room and thid is the room where he slept with the children that visited (if he is aparently so open about that why does he sleep with them in a secret room) and the pictures of the babies all over the walls not the bodies just thier heads that is weird.

Hmmmmmmm... didn't know that he's sleeping in there with the kids!

Very creepy. He seems to like strange things though.

Maybe it is because Jackson is going to have to defend himself in court, and there are legal requirements that mean US television cannot show it.
And what has this got to do with foreign governments crazie, the government here cannot control what is broadcast

There is a whiff of guilt already on this case, though the facts are not yet known and nothing is even close to being certain. However the '93 case, for those who followed it and have read the indictment (see smokinggun.com), there was guilt written all over that one. That child's testimony was the most sickening and sinister thing I have ever read and how a child of his age could come up with that unless there was at least some ring of truth to it, given all the scrutiny he would have been under, is beyond me. It was frightening to read and I believe that MJ was as guilty as it gets. If he hadn't have been able to buy the kid off I think it would have been San Quentin for him. As a direct result of that action, the law has been changed to force a child to testify against a perpetrator despite civil outcomes in cases like this one. There can be no buy out this time unless it is done undercover and the child then suddenly changes his tune. The DA had a very strong case last time and obviously knew that the system needed changing to prevent these very serious criminal offenses being bought out of. The DA has stated that they enacted the law change as a direct result of that case - what does that tell you about it? The indictment was damning and you can bet they had a mountain of other evidence to present as well. A very strong case in a serious criminal matter and the guy walks because of the weight of his wallet. I wonder if they had a future MJ incident in mind, as perhaps one of the driving factors, when they changed that law. And here they are again, but this time they've locked the escape hatch and there will be no easy out one would think, though with a lawyer the calibre of Geragos who knows. There's a man who can take an intelligent, solid prosecution witness and reduce them to a semi-literate state of mumbling confusion on the stand. However, Geragos or no, sometimes the weight of truth is too heavy. After the '93 case I am not suprised and if there is anything like the indictment and evidence they had back then, not only will it destroy MJ as a public figure (well, more than he already has done himself), I think he'll quite likely find himself in the seg unit at San Quentin for a number of years. There will be no easy out this time and prison life for a man (thing?) like MJ will not be at all comfortable. Heck, with the amount of maintenance treatment his face probably requires to stay in one place (they don't have cosmetic surgery or beauty clinincs in the pen), things would probably start falling off. Imagine seeing a picture of MJ after he's been in San Q for two or three years? No makeup, no cosmetic surgery, no skin treatments, no sunlight, no nothing - just that face, in the raw. Now that, would be scary...

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_44.jpghttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2003/11/21/wjack21.jpeg Okay, the King of Pop did his perp walk before the media and then released on large $3 Million bail and surrendered his passport. The cops have some "so called love letters" and kiddie pictures. So what's next? His intent to flee the country to South America or France? Is the nutso mom protected from the Rape Shield Laws? She's been on the take for a long long time. If Jacko is proven really a molester, should she be charged with pimping own son for having received compensation for services (house and car?) Read What The Britishs Wrote <---Just Click Here

If you love me.........

I finally went and read the Smoking Gun report awhile back. Which was totally disgusting by the way. Don't read it unless you have a strong stomach.

What caught my eye was that the kid in the document kept saying that M.J. would say, "If you love me, you will (fill in the sick blank)."

If you watch the Bashir interview, the current victim sitting by M.J.'s side said that M.J. told him that "if he loved him, he would sleep in his bed."

That's a pretty sick coincidence.

I just hope the trial answers some questions. If they prove that it is all a lie and M.J. is innocent, I would feel a sense of relief, because I have always liked the guy, even though he is weird.

But, if they prove he is guilty, like I think they are gonna do, I hope he gets more than 8 years, like the article above says.

Those affidavits filed (if true and correct) represented disgusting things against Jacko and can put him away to jail. If not, Janet the mom, son Gavin and other family members should be prosecuted for filing false sworn statements - sorta like the Fuhrman testimonies. Unless, you see it with your eyeballs and hear it with your ears, it's still all bullcrap and street rumors. Remember the infamous Laura McKinny Tapes and 5000 transcript typed pages for their book? Well if also true, Geragos has the same to refute those so-called Smoking Gun papers you read. Add that to the Jacko trial when taking the blue chair as to the perjury charges should the criminal jurors make that finding of facts that MJ is NOT guilty.

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_dangerous-tour_017.jpg http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_family-debbie_037.jpg http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_grammy-awards-1993_001.jpg Is the mom or dad correct? Who's telling the truth? Does this make reasonable doubt? If he testifies, will that be the end of Santa Barbara's criminal case of molestation?
Father Of Jackson's Accuser Denies Charges
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Did you hear that he bought teen singer, Aaron Carter, a car for his birthday. Aaron Carter didn't even really know MJ. Aaron Carter was creaped out by this. Why would a 40 something man buy a teenage boy who he doesn't know a car. Seduction?

You mean this teen singer? http://us.ent1.yimg.com/images.launch.yahoo.com/000/003/496/3496898.jpg
Aaron Carter On Recording Michael Jackson's 'What More Can I Give' Jacko is a very generous person. He doesn't publicize who he helps and how much he gives away to the needy or his friends. Had he not been so caring for people, raising benefits for kids around the world, putting up Neverland for charity events, Jacko will have been a billionaire by now. Instead he gives away his wealth to people whom he feels help to promote healing and caring for kids. He is definitely misunderstood by the extent of his generousity. Let's see if old-pal artists that contributed vocals to the benefit track Ricky Martin, Mariah Carey, Carlos Santana, Celine Dion, Tom Petty, Usher, Julio Iglesias, Reba McEntire, Luther Vandross, Shakira, Brian McKnight, Gloria Estefan, Mya, Jon Secada, Billy Gilman, Ziggy Marley, and others will come out publicly and vouch for Jacko's innocence. Where are your friends when you need them? Read Aaron Carter. < --- Just Click Here