Draft!!!!!!

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OMG I HAD A GUEST SPEAKER IN MY VIETNAM CLASS AND HE SAID THAT THEY ARE THINKIN ABOUT BRINGING BACK THE DRAFT AND NOW THEY ARE NOT ONLY DRAFTING MEN THEY ARE DRAFTING WOMEN ARE THEY NUTZ WE ARE THE ONES MAKIN KIDS WHAT THEY WANT TO KILL THE BABY MAKERS!!! DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON THIS CUZ IM NOT GONNA STAND FOR IT IMMA FIGHT BACK!!!! IF U HAVE ANY INFO OR THOUGHTS??? PLEASE WRITE ME BACK! THANX

Hmm. Well, I, myself, wouldn't go to any war, they can lock me up!! I ain't killin nobody and nobody's killing me!!

SAME HERE GEORGE BUSH DOESNT EVEN CARE ABOUT US ANYWAYS HE SAYS HE DOES BUT THE MAN KNOWS NUTTIN ABOUT THE WAR HES NEVER EVEN GONE TO WAR HE WAS TOO MUCH OF A *****!

I think I'm lucky enough to be past the draft age, but I think it's totally wrong. Our military numbers are strong enough without forcing people to join. It's no different from radical dictators pulling children out of schools and forcing them into training camps to brain wash them into being terrorists.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state ...

Well... thank god for the don't ask don't tell... I would be telling, all the way to them saying... "Bye bye"
But, I also think that I'm well past the age of a draft. Does anyone know what age they go up to in a draft? How about what things disqualify you?

My brother couldn't be drafted because he is almost deaf in one ear. Apparently they think he might get snuck up on? lol. And if the war came to my yard then yes, I would defend my family. I could not go to war simply because the second I got there I'd go into cardiac arrest. Screw that, Maybe I watched too many movies but I would not go to any war.

I think age 25 or 35????, except for past military personnel. They can go back in, because I have a friend in his 50 that got called back.

I think medical conditions exempt you. Quick! Everyone cut off their right arm! All you women.. hurry! Get pregnant!

I've just been informed that it also depends on your profession. Doctors can get drafted past 35. I'm researching.

Reference: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/bldraft.htm

U.S. Military

Sequence of Events

Here is a brief overview of what would occur if the United States returned to a draft:

1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which starts a draft.

2. THE LOTTERY
A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. 18-year-olds and those turning 19 would probably not be drafted.

3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.

4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also Classifications.

5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.

6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.

They are not going to bring back the draft anytime soon.

Yeah, I just can't see that happening any time soon!
There's a lot more that they would do before a draft....

what do u all think about this war... do u agree/disagree with bush?

agree

i just dont understand why we are in iraq tryin to make their living better... i think we should work on america first..... and the whole 9-11 thing had nuttin to do with iraq..... right?

I for one do not just want to go about my daily routine and just wait for the next shoe to drop. The next terrorist attack. We have had 2 major attacks in our history. Perl Harbor and WTC. What is next? A dirty bomb, biological attack to our water supply, car bomb at a nuclear power plant. Do you seriously want to just wait and see? Maybe it's your town, your apartment complex, your work, your child's school.

I'm with you, Ron... I don't want to wait for the next thing to happen!

But, I'm not sure that I really back Bush, and all the decisions that have been made since 9/11 and all the war. It's not easy to choose sometimes!

My uncle was at WTC. He watched the plane hit the second tower and watched the destruction. I bet if anyone was up close and in person there, they would not hesitate to support what's going on in Iraq.

I actually give the Bush administration credit for self-control. How many armies would have gone in and just eliminated the entire country off the face of the world?

I do question though the politics behind this war. Why are so many of our soldiers dying? Is it possible they are not being allowed to do what it takes to get this war over with? That is, during the Vietnam war (only as relayed to me but not verified) I was told we could have ended that war. It was deliberately kept going in spite of the troops dying. I was also told we had everything needed to end the war very quickly, but the soldiers were not allowed to use the resources.

Is Iraq being handled the same way? And if so, what is to gain by dragging out the war when it could quickly be ended?

One of my best friends lost her cousin and aunt in one of the WTC towers. I think that whether you knew someone in there, or know someone that lost a loved one, it was devestating. Though, I can't comprehend the complete devestation that those who did lose a loved one there have/are feeling.

I'm with Kooka... I'm supportive, but I'm still questioning things. That's what I was trying to say. Something needs to be done... but, are we going about it the right way?

I question our true motives too, but we also have to consider it this way, We've lost 399 American soldiers so far compared to their thousands. We also have to consider if our soldier's lives are worth the Iraqi people's freedom. Before considering an answer to that, we must all remind ourselves that during the American Revolution, during our struggle to win independance from England, 15,000 French soldiers died fighting for our freedom.
So is it worth an American soldier's life to bring democracy to people living without freedom? I believe it is.

THAT is something that I think is worth fighting for. To free those people, and bring them out of the dark age with the way that they treat their women and children, and even a lot of their men!!!

But, while I support that... there are still questions!!! And you hit it on the head, chel... our TRUE motives! That's what I want to know. Is it really to help those people? For many of us, it is. But, for the people who made the decision to send them over there... I think that it's a lot more to do with power, and strong-arm'ing. Not that they don't have good intentions, but I think that there is MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE

Let's put this into perspective. During 5 years of Viet Nam from 1966 to 1971 more US and Allie troops died every month then what have died during this entire war.

Here are some stats for you

Gulf War - 147 deaths
Viet Nam - 58,168 deaths
Korea - 25,604 deaths
World War II - 407,316 deaths
World War I - 116,708 deaths
Civil War (both sides) - 498,332 deaths
Revolutionary War - 4,435 deaths

I'm not trying to discredit America's intentions, but if were Iraq's troops in America, forcing their customs and beliefs on us, would you resist?

Absolutely I would defend against another government coming in and forcing a way of life. And I have no problem with you questioning the intentions behind this war Kook, I think a lot of us do. I thought it was interesting that after the fall of Baghdad, while the Iraqi people were looting and fighting amongst each other, our troops hightailed it to the oil fields to protect those and keep them under U.S. control. (Not bashing the troops, just the ones who gave them orders)
For the most part I think Iraqis (like most of the world) hated Saddam and wanted to see him overthrown and gone. Have you seen the things he would do to anyone who spoke out against him? He was a merciless dictator with a lust for torture and murder.
What is left of his regime and Iraqi's who want to reclaim their country from American occupation are the ones that I think are attacking and killing U.S. soldiers now.
I think if we had had a plan set up to begin with for implementing a new government, one that gave power to the people rather than a dictator, had the full support (military, financial and political) of the other nations in the world, I think that Iraq would not be in the state of chaos that it is in right now.

My best guess for why the troops immediately defended the oil wells was because of what happened during the Gulf War. They were set on fire, and I think the only way to keep history from repeating itself is preventative action.

What happens during a draft?

Sequence of Events

Here is a brief overview of what would occur if the United States returned to a draft:

1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which starts a draft.

2. THE LOTTERY
A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. 18-year-olds and those turning 19 would probably not be drafted.

3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.

4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also Classifications.

5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.

6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.

just like in Vietnam the more you involve the general populace
in "dirty little wars" the quicker they will remove their support for
th conflict.

I think I'm lucky enough to be past the draft age, but I think it's totally wrong. Our military numbers are strong enough without forcing people to join. It's no different from radical dictators pulling children out of schools and forcing them into training camps to brain wash them into being terrorists.

Another stupid comparison. US army and terrorist camps... No different.

Originally posted by chelktty

Absolutely I would defend against another government coming in and forcing a way of life. And I have no problem with you questioning the intentions behind this war Kook, I think a lot of us do. I thought it was interesting that after the fall of Baghdad, while the Iraqi people were looting and fighting amongst each other, our troops hightailed it to the oil fields to protect those and keep them under U.S. control. (Not bashing the troops, just the ones who gave them orders)

Just remember that those oil fields were put on fire by Saddam and would serve good in wrong hands. It's good that US secured oil fields first...

What is left of his regime and Iraqi's who want to reclaim their country from American occupation are the ones that I think are attacking and killing U.S. soldiers now.

Add foreign jihadists and pro-Saddam influence coming from Tikrit - and you got the picture...

I think if we had had a plan set up to begin with for implementing a new government, one that gave power to the people rather than a dictator, had the full support (military, financial and political) of the other nations in the world, I think that Iraq would not be in the state of chaos that it is in right now.

US had the damn plan, supposed to make Iraq a democracy in few steps: invade, rebuild, make infrastructure work and then transfer power to local authorities. US did not bring a dictator to power and it was other countries who refused to help and not US.

I read it in the text, where it said "taking young men out of their homes and making them serve is just like training them in terrorist camps". Well, maybe you didnt know mystic, army is military force serving your LEGITIMATE government, and terrorist camps are... a little different, don't you think?
Honestly i didnt expect you to support this stance, mystic.

No, I don't think that it's fair to just "pluck" some young person, throw a gun in there hands and tell them to go kill the enemy. Especially when they don't want to fight.

And chelktty, it was a great point that you made, comparing that to a terrorist camp. You're not saying that it is, but that when you force someone to learn to go and kill the enemy, when that's not what you want to do, that becomes such a forced thing. Excellent observation.

Mrjuko... she's right. If you want to attack her, take it to the flamers ward. To call her stupid will not be tolerated. Her idea was not attacking you, in any way, yet you chose to attack her and be disrespectful. So, take that kind of crap to the FW's, or leave it off the board completely.

Oh my god, i am not attacking anybody.... I didnt call her stupid, i said "i didnt expect you to support this stance". Neither i was disrespectfull, quite opposite. Sometimes i think there is no limit to correctness. Take it easy!

Coming back to army and terrorist camps... well what can i say... army serves your country, and as far as i know USA is governed by democratic administrative body, with many layers of bureacracy and many people taking decisions - you have congress, senate, different departments, etc. Serving your country is not something you are able to dismiss, you HAVE to do it wholeheartedly, especially when we are talking about USA.

What is army ideology? Kill the enemy, as outlined by top military commanders, starting with the president and all the way to field commanders. What did president say? There are terrorists - this is true, - we have to fight them - true again! Unlike other countries invading to conquer, USA invades to liberate. You americans should be 1000 times proud of your government, which is taking steps to accomplish at least one of humanities' goals: make people FREE. Government which spends YOUR money to send aid to Africa, Asia, bunch of different countries around the world, government that spends hundreds of billions and american lives to bring freedom and peace to one of the most hostile and hot regions on the planet...

Knowing all this, it is STUPID - yes i said it is STUPID - to compare US army, even if it's draft, to terrorist camps. Again, no personal offense - just my opinion.

PS. To admins: you can send me as many warnings as you want, i dont care. Ban me right away if you want.

While I respect that you didn't directly call me "stupid" MrJuko, the fact remains that you did indeed brand my statement with a derogatory remark. Backpeddle all yo want to, doesn't change the fact that you show an absolute disregard and lack of respect for the ideas of others. If you disagree with my opinion, that's your perogative and you're entitled to your opinion as much as I'm entitled to mine. However instead of simply disagreeing with the statement you chose an to use an inflamatory remark.
Going back to the original statement I made, yes I compare the draft to camps that train and brainwash terrorists.
Military basic training breaks down men and women and rebuilds them into soldiers both mentally and physically. They are trained to fight, kill and die for this country. They follow through with the orders of their commanding officers regardless of if those orders go against that soldier's moral fiber.
If someone chooses not to become a part of the United States military for the above listed reasons, they should have the right to do so. Forcing them into the military by drafting them, when they oppose the idea of killing another human being by participating in a political cockfight, only proves that the comparison is similar to that of a dictator forcing kids and young men with impressionable minds into training camps to have their minds fixed and trained to kill the infedels. (Sorry for the run-on, :taking a breath
I do not oppose the military. I have family and friends in all four branches. I strongly support our troops and along with my sister I sent well over 200 care packages to different platoons during the 2nd Gulf war. (We continue to send them out) I've paid out of pocket for the shipping and campaigned to those in my neighborhood and places of business for donations of items for the packages. I had several other friends in combat areas in Iraq that I kept tabs on through their spouses, comforting and reassuring their loved ones, even to the point of taking a week off of work and flying to the other side of the country to comfort my friend whose husband was in Iraq. I have incredible respect for our men and women in uniform.
I simply oppose drafting people into the military when they don't believe in the cause we are fighting for.
To insinuate that I (and others) don't know the purpose of the Army is insulting, (not to mention irrelavant to this thread) you have no idea who you're talking to, where they come from and you're oblivious to the fact that though you may have this opinion, others might have opposing opinions. Use inflamatory remarks all you want. They won't get you any farther than the flamer's ward.
P.S. That's just MY opinion.

Whatever chelktty.