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Posted by: Wolf_eyes

I was going to post the whole article, but Im not smart enough to figure out how to transfer it. So look up Anne Gearan under associated press reporters, and her story about hearings on potential rights of guantanamo prisoners. I'll leave you with a quote.



"The United States has created a prison on Guantanamo Bay that operates entirely outside the law....Within the walls of this prison, foreign nationals may be held indefinitely, without charges or evidence of wrong-doing, without access to faimliy, friends, or legal counsel, and with no opportunity to establish thier innocence.


Way to go George. The really scary thing is, anyone who the government decides they want to suspect of terrorism, can basically kiss thier 4ss goodbye. No, it hasnt happened to me or my friends, but if thats your only argument, youve missed the point. The point is, it could happen. To you, or me, or anyone else. This is unlikely, but it does afford the government to disable anyone who opposes thier will. Anyone.

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Posted by: Charles

But you still have not tried guessing which PResident was responsible for the most gross civil liberties violations in history.

???

OK. It was honest Abe.

What a monster - huh!

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Posted by: Wolf_eyes

think it doesnt happen in real life? youre wrong.......check out the article from november 9th by Steve Friess....ordinary people being abused by the patriot act. Just try to see past your blind faith and realize the potential danger here......

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Posted by: Charles

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Originally posted by Wolf_eyes
think it doesnt happen in real life? youre wrong.......check out the article from november 9th by Steve Friess....ordinary people being abused by the patriot act. Just try to see past your blind faith and realize the potential danger here......


Relax wolfie - I never said "it" doesn't happen in real life. I'm not sure how you define "it" though...

What did happen by the way? Did we deport illegal aliens again?

My example to you was that President Abraham Lincoln went far beyond anything contemplated by the PAtriot Act in undermining civil liberties. I'm not talking theory, I'm talking actual practice and events. Public dissent in most forms was strictly forbidden. Newspapers were closed. People jailed...

The sky did not fall, the Union was preserved, and Abe is considered one of the (if not THE) most influencial President in history.

Just try to use a bit of perspective.
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Posted by: nowar

so if Lincoln did worst than us why talking about what we do ?

nice way of thinking Charles

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Posted by: Charles

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Originally posted by nowar
so if Lincoln did worst than us why talking about what we do ?

nice way of thinking Charles


Who says we shouldn't talk? Isn't that what we are doing?

As usual, I shall restrain myself from referring to you as a butt plug or the like...

Your nebulous rhetoric as usual is grounded on nothing. Wolfie here thinks the sky is falling because the Patriot Act gives government agencies the ability to gather information on terrorists. Most of the mechanisms in the Patriot Act have been around for quitre a while already, and there are plenty of checks and balances.

I'm sure you could argue that it is dangerous and risky to allow the police to carry weapons because it gives them an advantage over us and they could shoot us. Yes they could shoot us Wolfie.

I provided a specific example of one of our most respected Presidents who in a time of conflict enacted measures that not only could have curtailed civil liberties, but actually did so on an unprecedented scale.

What you need nowar is a little perspective. Lay off the bong hits and conspiracy theory magazine subscriptions.
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Posted by: Wolf_eyes

no one has responded to the civil liberties issues here........why am I not surprised? does anyone actually want to adress the current political issues, or just keep insulting each other? These are OUR rights that are being botched. Not mine, not yours, OURS. Think about that.

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