War on Iraq and protesters |
| Posted by: NothingSacred | | You must be thinking of USSR and not USA...there's a big difference. In USA you're supposed to be allowed to have your own opinion. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: viking | | protesters are a day late and dollar short. imho they should have been proactive v. reactive. citizens of the world didn't organize to address the UN or Iraq, only to critize after the fact. protesters call the war illegal but then they engage in acts of civil disobedience-hypocritical and doesn't help their credibility.
personally i haven't seen protest against the troops only against the us policy so i disagree that protesters are insensitive to what the troops are going through. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: NothingSacred | | I'm big time against the war, because I don't think it's the USA's best interests. But now that it starts, I hope that our guys shoot and kill everything that moves to minimize Americans dying. Better innocent Iraqis dead than an American soldier...But yes, I'm BIG TIME against the war and the policy that's driving it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Charles | | I think its great people can protest - but did anyone see last night the shot taken from helicopter of protesters pulling someone from their car and beating them? Peace man!
Even a broken clock is right twice per day. Unless you are on military time, then only once.
98% of all people follow the lead of what other people do within the specific environment they are in. In Europe it bash America now. In San Francisco its - protect abortion rights, or, don't hurt poor Saddam, or something else. LEt them protest. Occasionally they are right. More often or not they are just stuck in a mob mentality and have the psycological disposition of feeling disaffected with something (anything). | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: danaliza | | I think you are right.
Right now in the U.S. we are having a hard time financially. I tend to think that all of this protesting is counter-productive. In my part of the country, protesters are stopping traffic, blocking major financial centers and basically causing more chaos and fear. We need to get to work, be productive, and take care of our families.
I think that people have a right to protest, but damn people! Can't we do it without causing havoc amongst our cities?  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | We have pro war and anti war people protesting across the street from each other here. "honk for war" on one side "save the child killer" and "no war on people loving Saddam" on the other. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: John Kim | | You know, this just infuriates me. America is the land of freedom, not some fascist state. We have fought over and over to keep the right of people to disagree, only to have some jerk claim that those who disagree need to leave the country.
So you have to wait a little while in traffic. Boo hoo. If you don't like living in the land of the free, go off to some country which doesn't allow such protests. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: OneNationUnderG | | Question: Do you guys know who is in charge of the protest movement?
Answer: Socialist and Communist movements.
Want proof? It's out there. Here is one place...
http://www.protestwarrior.com/
Please look at the photo gallery of the protest. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: John Kim | | Um, OK. So because someone was able to take a few pictures of communists amongst the thousands of anti-war protesters, that means that the whole movement is controlled by communists? Is that your logic here?
Please. I've been to the protests. Are there communists there? Yes. Are there Buddhists there? Yes. Are there Quakers there? Yes. Are there veterans there? Yes. None of these labels invalidates their opinion. The idea that you could eliminate dialogue by labelling someone a communist died in the 1950's with McCarthy, and rightly so. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | | John Kim - do you enjoy desecrating the graves of 9-11 Victims?
That's what some protesters did when THEY ripped down a 9-11 erected fence and burned the items.
What a strong love for peace.
Japan's PM just stated "The only reason for our peace post WWII is because of the UNITED STATES. " and supports the American movement. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: John Kim | | OK, this is a fun game. Let's pick random people who support either side and pretend that they represent everything. I'll pick President Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan, who is part of a repressive regime constantly cited for human rights abuses. He supports the war on Iraq, and is one of our few true allies (as opposed to token supporters). Thus, everyone who supports war is a fascist.
As for anti-war, let's say the Pope. Or for that matter George Bush Sr, who clearly spoke against attacking without U.N. approval. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: OneNationUnderG | | Sure people from all ideology schools attend these protest marches. Most of them you will have to agree have no first hand information. They, in my opinion are sheep who like to think that they are doing something to make a difference... lol...
My original statement was about who organized the protest.
Read up on this.
Commies and Socialist.... For real... I am the truth... I do not lie... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: John Kim | | Well, the converse to this is that pro-war people are like a sheep -- ignorant fools who blindly follow what their President says regardless of the content, and if the President said the opposite they would agree with it just as heartily. Both of these probably have some grain of truth, but they are not a valid way to judge others. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: OneNationUnderG | | WTF are you talking about? No one is "pro war"... Every one wants peace. Sometimes the only way to achieve this is by force. Peace through strength... Sometimes people have to sacrifice. Our sacrifice allows people like us to express our thoughts freely so that we can have this little debate right now. It's fun isn't it?
The proceeding is the absolute truth.. If you debate this, I will quit responding to your post's because I will know that you do not have the ability to accept the truth and logically reason out your thoughts.
Ronald Reagan brought pride back to this country. He did not cower to the Soviet Union. He stood up to them. This was a situation in history that could have easily made the U.S. live in fear of the USSR to this day. If Reagan hadn't acted with the representation of the pride of the american people that elected him, "Peace through strength," We (America) would be a nation in fear. No disrespect, but, Carter was loosing the battle and making this nation weak, and a laughing stock of the world.
America is the strongest nation in the world because our people are proud... and because we had the resolve to stand up for FREEDOM... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: John Kim | | First of all, I am damn proud of American freedom as well.
But seriously, what actions of Reagan are you talking about? As far as I can see, the USSR is exactly a counter-example to the argument for the current war. We never took any pre-emptive or any other direct military action against them. Instead, we used only posturing and containment. On the other hand, Reagan backed Saddam Hussein in his war against the Ayatollah Khomeini, providing him with arms and money for that war. (Not that I support the Ayatollah, mind you, but I do think Reagan has some stuff to answer for.) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: OneNationUnderG | |
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Originally posted by John Kim
First of all, I am damn proud of American freedom as well.
But seriously, what actions of Reagan are you talking about? As far as I can see, the USSR is exactly a counter-example to the argument for the current war. We never took any pre-emptive or any other direct military action against them. Instead, we used only posturing and containment. On the other hand, Reagan backed Saddam Hussein in his war against the Ayatollah Khomeini, providing him with arms and money for that war. (Not that I support the Ayatollah, mind you, but I do think Reagan has some stuff to answer for.) |
Well I am happy to hear that you are proud of our freedom.
I need to get some sleep for the night, but I will leave you with this...
P.S. It's been fun.
Jimmy Carter —
Carter started out as a garden variety Southern segregationist state senator, but was re-born as an anti-Washington populist. Aided by lots of negative vibes toward incumbents, and a weak opponent, this Georgia governor won the 1976 election.
He'll be remembered for the Iran hostages and 20 percent interest rates.
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/co...h_20020207.html
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| Posted by: John Kim | |
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| Originally posted by OneNationUnderG Carter started out as a garden variety Southern segregationist state senator, but was re-born as an anti-Washington populist. Aided by lots of negative vibes toward incumbents, and a weak opponent, this Georgia governor won the 1976 election. ... |
OK. I agree on some points and disagree on others. Incidentally, I hated Clinton's foreign policy as well. Carter at least achieved the Camp David Accords, which are widely agreed as a resounding success. Still, of the five recent presidents, I think the best on foreign policy was George Bush Sr. And you know what, he spoke against going to war without U.N. approval.
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| Posted by: Caps#1 | | The anti war movement is funded by a pro communist country... and ONE OTHER THING, I LIVE IN THE SUBERBS OF DC and I am TIRED of these idiots clogging up our streets, take for instance the crazy tractor guy last week, anyway, DC is a big target for terrorism and our police NEED TO PROTECT US FROM IT. INSTEAD THEY ALL HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE PROTEST so they have no time to protect us, and by the way, yes this is America and you have a right to protest, so do it in your own yard, DON'T CLOG UP OUR STREETS AND DIVERT POLICE | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dreamzwalker | |
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Originally posted by John Kim
Well, the converse to this is that pro-war people are like a sheep -- ignorant fools who blindly follow what their President says regardless of the content, and if the President said the opposite they would agree with it just as heartily. Both of these probably have some grain of truth, but they are not a valid way to judge others. |
Yes i'm a sheep. I wonder how I am since I have wanted to see Saddam die since 1989?
Does that make me a sheep?
Get your facts straight before you call me a "wagon jumper."
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | At least the tractor guy wasn't protesting anti-war or pro-war. His thing was about tobaco farming. | | Reply To this Message
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