Opinion: Truth About 9/11

9/11 fact and fiction Forum

THE TRUTH ABOUT SEPT 11

Section 1: Airforce stand-down

1:1 It has become popular mythology in the media that fighter jets were
scrambled to intercept the hijacked planes. This is completely untrue as the
following research shows. Guilty For 9-11: Bush, Rumsfeld, Myers, by
Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel, 14 Nov 2001
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm

1:2 Mr. Cheney's Cover Story -- Section 2 of Guilty For 9-11, 20 Nov 2001
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm

1:3 9-ll: Nothing Urgent, by George Szamuely, Research & documentation by
Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel, Jan 2002
http://emperor.vwh.net/indict/urgent.htm

1:4 Planes "did scramble " on 9/11,they just " arrived late "
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/faq.htm

1:5 Scrambled Messages, by George Szamuely, 12 Dec 2001
http://www.nypress.com/14/50/taki/bunker.cfm

1:6 Air National Guard Mission and Vision statements
http://nerdcities.com/guardian/Sept...ang-mission.htm

1:7 Russian Air Force chief says official 9/11 story impossible
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/airf.htm

Scrambling of fighter jets to intercept stray aircraft is a routine
procedure. It happened 67 times in the 10 months between September 2000
and June 2001.

1.8 Use of military jets jumps since 9/11. Associated Press Aug 13 2002.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...2/ap081302.html
1.9 CBS News. Scrambling to prevent another 9/11 Aug 14 2002
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002...ain518632.shtml
1.10 Preventing another 9/11 Military.com
http://www.military.com/NewsContent..._081502,00.html
1.11 ABC News Jets on high Alert. Aug 13 2002.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...ront020813.html
1.12 Military now notified immediately of unusual air traffic events. Fox
news Aug 12 2002
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60245,00.html#top

So on Sept 11, 2001 - Why were no fighter jets scrambled, and why has a
cover up story been concocted?

In the unlikely event that the airforce failed through incompetence, ( not
once but 4 times! ) where is the major inquiry?
I have seen bigger inquiries into car crashes at race tracks.

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Section 2: Complicit behaviour of G.W.Bush

It has become common mythology in the media that George W. Bush was at
Booker Elementary School when he learned of the first WTC crash. This is a
lie. Why is Bush lying about where he was, and what he knew?

2:1 Guilty for 9-11 Section 3: Bush in the open by Illarion Bykov and Jared
Israel.
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm

This is not the only lie Bush has told about his movements that morning. See
how many times he has changed his story.

2:2 Sept 11 attacks- evidence of US collusion by Steve Grey.
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/01/113757.php

(Read the section called "A tangle of lies")

2.3 Bush gets tangled in his lies Part 1. A strange press conference.
By jared israel and francisco Gil-White Sept 25 2002.
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/calif1.htm

2:4 Bush Gets Tangled in his 9-11 Lies, Part 2:
White House Cover-up Creates More Problems than it Solves
by Jared Israel and Francisco Gil-White [7 October 2002]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/calif2.htm

2:5 The President as Incompetent Liar: Bush's Claim that he Saw TV Footage
of 1st Plane Hitting WTC
Comments by Jared Israel [Posted 12 September 2002]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/liar.htm

Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair. Bush is lying about where
he was, what he was doing and what he knew, during the crucial period
between 8.45 and 9 AM on Sept 11.
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Why did the President - after being told "America is under attack" continue
to listen to schoolchildren reading for another 25 minutes ? Why was he
cheering, smiling and joking even as it was known that at least one more
hijacked plane was on the loose ? View the TV footage which proves treason
at the top level.

2:6 http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/vid.htm

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Section 3: The Fictitious Hijackers

If 19 Arabs hijacked the planes, why are there no Arabic names on any of the
passenger lists? If they used non-Arabic aliases, which of the " innocents "
on the lists are alleged to be the hijackers?

3:1 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tr...11.victims.html
Passenger and crew list for AA 11 (first WTC crash.)

3:2 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tr...77.victims.html
AA 77 (Pentagon crash)

3:3
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tr...75.victims.html
UAL 175 (2nd WTC crash)

3:4 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tr...93.victims.html
UAL 93 (Pennsylvania crash)

If they are alleged to have been using non- Arabic aliases (19 obviously
Arabic men got on board using non-Arabic ID, with 100% success rate ? ), why
did the FBI claim that they were traced through the use of credit cards to
buy tickets in their own names?

If 9 of the alleged hijackers were searched before boarding, as claimed in
this article
3:5 http://www.policetalk.com/9_hijackers.html
why is there no airport security footage of them? How did they (allegedly)
get on board with knives, guns, AND electronic guidance systems, while being
searched, but avoiding security cameras and not being on the passenger
lists? What aliases were they alleged to be using when they were searched,
and if they were not using aliases, why are they not on the passenger lists?

What of reports that some of the alleged hijackers are still alive, and had
nothing to do with the attacks?
3:6 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/1559151.stm
3:7 http://www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm
3:8 http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/.../afgwar-die.htm
3:9
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10...xed_Up_on_T/sti
ll_alive__fbi_mixed_up_on_t.html
3:10 http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm

According to this article
3:11
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._nm/attack_germ
any_trial_dc_2

the FBI now claims that the hijackers used gas to subdue the passengers and
crew. If they used gas they would have been affected themselves - unless
they had masks. The story gets better all the time. They somehow got on
board with masks, gas, guns,knives and electronic guidance systems, in spite
of being searched, didn't show up on the airport security cameras, and were
not on the passenger lists. They left flight manuals in Arabic in rented
cars outside the airport ( last minute brushing up on the way there, about
how to fly the things! ) and then crashed the planes in breath taking
displays of skilled piloting. Just to make sure we knew who they were, their
passports were conveniently found in spite of fiery crashes which
incinerated the planes and occupants. So they got on board with false IDs
but used their real passports ?

If the mythical Arab hijackers really were on the planes and airport
security systems failed due to incompetence ( not once but 19 times! ),
where is the major inquiry? I have seen bigger inquiries into racehorse
doping scandals.

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Section 4: More oddities

Why the official story concerning the hijacking of AA11 (first WTC crash)
cannot possibly be true.

4:1 9/11 Redux: (The Observer1s Cut) American Airlines Flight 11,
Re-examined By David L. Graham
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/redux.html

Was an urban rescue team sent to New York the night before the attacks?
4:2 http://www.halturnershow.com/FEMA.htm
4:3 http://www.tpromo.com/gk/jun02/062602.htm

4.4 Former top German Cabinet Minister rejects official story of 9 11
attacks. Interview with Andreas von Buelow. Tagesspiegel Jan 13 2002.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html
National Security Advisor Rice and White House spokesman Fleischer lied in
saying that nobody had ever conceived of planes being used in this manner,
Bush Was Warned of Hijackings Before 9/11; Lawmakers Want Public Inquiry ABC
News May 16 2002

4:5 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...memo020516.html
when the 1994 extract from Time magazine, quoted in article 2:1 demonstrates
that the potential problem had been recognized for decades. And there are
other examples of this possibility having been widely recognized prior to
Sept 11.

4:6 "Omens of terror." by David Wise Oct 7 2001
http://www.hermes-press.com/omens.htm
In article 4:5 Rice also lied in saying that any threat had been
overwhelmingly perceived as being overseas. The statement she made is in
this press briefing.

4:7 Press Briefing by National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice. The
James S. Brady Briefing Room May 16 2002 . 4.10PM EDT
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...0020516-13.html
But this is the truth about the memo to which she refers.

4:8 August memo focused on attacks in the U.S. by Bob Woodward and Dan
Eggen. Washington Post staff writers. May 18 2002. page A01.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...e=&contentId=A3
5744-2002May17¬Found=true

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Section 5: Where is the evidence against Bin laden?

Why is it that the US government doesn't feel confident enough of it's case
against Bin laden to lay any formal charges, but keeps " finding" convenient
video " confession" tapes ? Probably because new video technology makes it
impossible to distinguish between a real video confession and a fake.

When seeing and hearing isn't believing. by William M. Arkin. Washington
Post Feb 1 1999
5:1 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...arkin020199.htm

Last word in High Tech trickery. By David Higgins Sydney Morning Herald.
may 16 2002
5:2 http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/...1415016681.html

For more detailed evidence of a preplanned agenda to fabricate evidence
against Bin Laden,

Sept 11 attacks- evidence of US collusion by Steve Grey.
2:2 http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/01/113757.php
(Read the section called "Evidence please !")

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Section 6: Insider trading reveals high level foreknowledge

In the first few hours after the attacks, it was reported that investigators
were already looking into huge volumes of insider trading on airline stocks
in the weeks leading up to the attacks. Why has this story since completely
disappeared? Do authorities seriously expect us to believe that more than a
year later, they still do not know who was responsible? Should not alarm
bells have been ringing BEFORE the attacks with these record volumes of
trading? If the executive director of the CIA had previously managed the
firm which handled much of the trade, are we seriously expected to believe
that he doesn't know who was responsible?

Suppressed Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly Into The CIA's
Highest Ranks -- CIA Executive Director `Buzzy' Krongard Managed Firm That
Handled `Put' Options on UAL, by Michael C. Ruppert, 9 Oct 2001
6:1 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fr...1_krongard.html

Mystery of terror `insider dealers', by Chris Blackhurst, 14 Oct 2001
6:2 http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402

Profits of Death -- Insider Trading and 9-11, by Tom Flocco - Edited by
Michael C. Ruppert, 6 Dec 2001
6:3 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO112B.html

Where is the major inquiry? I have seen bigger inquiries into local
government contract scandals.

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Section 7: The pentagon frame up

It is alleged that American Airlines 77 ( a hijacked Boeing 757 ) crashed
into the Pentagon. A Boeing 757 is a very large aircraft with a wingspan of
125 ft and a length of 155 ft. So how did it make an initial hole 12 ft
wide, collapsing only about a 35 ft depth of the outer ring of the
building - and not leave any wreckage outside ?
This photo of the damage to the Pentagon wall
7:1 http://66.129.143.7/june2aa.htm
proves that whatever crashed into the pentagon was NOT AA 77, which
demonstrates the Pentagon attack to have been a self - inflicted frame up.

For a quick overview of the impossibility of the official story
7:2 http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numer.../erreurs_en.htm

For a full physical analysis of the crash scene

Physical and mathematical analysis of Pentagon crash. by Gerard Holmgren Oct
2002
7:3 http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
Why was there a concerted effort to fabricate eyewitness evidence for the
official story regarding AA 77?
Did AA 77 hit the Pentagon? Eyewitness accounts examined. by Gerard Holmgren
June 2002
7:4
http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/...6&group=webcast

7:5 The Pentagon crash hoax
http://nerdcities.com/guardian/Sept...HitThePentagon/

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Section 8: If the Attack on Afghanistan was a retaliation for Sept 11, why
had it already been planned months before ?

BBC News report by George Arney.
8:1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wo...000/1550366.stm

U.S. Planned for attack on Al -Qaida. White house given strategy two days
before Sept 11.NBC news. May 16 2002
8:2
http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cach...redquestions.ne
t/timeline/2002/msnbc051602.html+U.S.+Planned+for+attack+on+Al+-Qaeda.+White
+house+given+strategy+two+days+before+Sept+11.&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

US planned to hit bin Laden ahead of September 11 By David Rennie in
Washington

8:3
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...8/05/walq05.xml
Why were we originally told that the attack on Afghanistan was not planned
prior to Sept 11, and was purely a retaliation to a " surprise " attack, and
the story then changed after proof of the preplanned attack came to light ?

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Section 9: U.S. and Bin Laden co-operate behind the scenes.

The new story is that they allegedly feared Bin Laden so much that they
wanted to get him first. So why didn't they arrest him when they had the
chance in July 2001?
The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital
last July in Dubai, by Alexandra Richard, Translated courtesy of Tiphaine
Dickson, Le Figaro, 11 Oct 2001
9:1 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
9:2 http://guardian.co.uk/waronterror/s...,584444,00.html
9:3 http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/lefigaro.htm

Bin Laden met with the CIA in July and walked away by Michael C. Ruppert
9:4 http://www.rense.com/general16/bin.htm
And why was the Bush family still in business with the Bin Laden Family,
even AFTER Sept 11?

Osama bin Laden's Bush family Business Connections, Alliance With Pakistan
Will Stimulate Drug Trade, Bring Revenues Under U.S. Control --Colombian
Opium Production Will Soar; The Taliban's Biggest Economic Attack on the
U.S. Came in February With The Destruction of Its Opium Crop by Michael C.
Ruppert, 18 Sept 2001
9:5 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fr...01_bushbin.html
Carlyle profit from Afghan war, by David Lazarus, 2 Dec 2001
9:6 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/LAZ112A.html

Elder Bush in Big G.O.P. Cast Toiling for Top Equity Firm, by Leslie Wayne,
5 Mar 2001
9:7 http://www.truthout.com/0662.Bush.Saudi.htm

The George W. Bush Money Tree
9:8 http://www.bushnews.com/bushmoney.htm

Bush Family's dirty little secret: President's oil companies funded by Bin
Laden family and wealthy Saudis who financed Osama bin Laden, by Rick Wiles,
Sep 2001
9:9 http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/...bushsecrets.htm

Arms Build-up Enriches Carlyle Group, Bush Sr. is Consultant, by Mark
Fineman, 10 Jan 2002
9:10 http://www.truthout.com/01.11F.Arms.Carlyle.htm

Gaping holes in the CIA V Bin Laden Story by Jared Israel
9:11 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probestop-i.htm

BushLaden by Jared Israel
9:12 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen.htm

Addition to the above article
9:13 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen2-i.htm

Judicial Watch: Bush/Bin Laden connection " has now turned into a scandal "
Statement from Judicial watch with comments by Jared Israel
9:14 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/jw.htm

9:15 Bin laden. Terrorist monster: Take two ! by Jared Israel. Oct 9 2001
http://emperors-clothes.com/article...d/taketwo-a.htm
9:16 New Chairman of 9/11 Commission had business ties with Osama's Brother
in Law by Michel Chossudovsky 27 December 2002
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO212A.html

And why did the US turn down an offer to extradite Bin Laden in 1996, AFTER
naming him as wanted for the 1993 WTC bombing?

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Section 10: The suspicious collapse of the World trade centre Towers.

How did the WTC collapse? Why no serious inquiry? Why was the debris rushed
away for recycling before any examination could be held?

10:1 Muslims suspend laws of physics by J. McMichael Nov 25 2001
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html
10:2 Muslims suspend laws of Physics. part 2 by J.McMichael
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/mslp_ii.htm

"Burning Questions...Need Answers": Fire Engineering's Bill Manning Calls
for Comprehensive Investigation of WTC Collapse, 4 Jan 2002
10:3 http://zgrams.zundelsite.org/piperm...ary/000200.html
10:4 http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2002/markr19-12.htm
10:5
http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/PDF/Fire...QuestionsNeedAn
swers.pdf
10:6 A firefighter says "we think there were bombs set in the building"
http://people.aol.com/people/specia...74592-3,00.html

10:7 In Curious Battle: An expert recants on Why the WTC collapsed by John
Flaherty and Jared Israel
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/albu.htm

10:8 Documentary footage from the scene of the WTC attacks, and eyewitness
accounts from firefighters at the scene reveal serious flaws in the official
accounts.
http://www.thepowerhour.com/posting...es-revealed.htm

For a series of engineering articles and informative videos on the WTC
collapse, see

10:9 http://home.attbi.com/~jmking/Collapse_update.htm

10:10 Evidence of explosives in South WTC Tower collapse
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/23816.php

10:11 The World Trade Centre demolition
http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/...-demolition.htm

10:12 Chapter 1 of the FEMA WTC collapse report (with comment)
http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch1.htm

10:13 Chapter 2 (with comment)
http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch2.htm

Steel melts at 1539 degrees. Jet fuel (kerosene) burns at 800 degrees. Are
we seriously expected to believe that burning kerosene towards the top of
the building ( heat travels upwards ) somehow caused both towers to neatly
implode in a manner identical to that of a controlled demolition ?
Where is the inquiry? I have seen bigger inquiries into suburban housefires.
Why is discussion of the possibility of a controlled implosion completely
taboo? Why do authorities keep inventing ridiculous stories about burning
jet fuel melting steel?

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Section 11: Hands off Bin laden !

Why were the FBI told to not investigate the Bin Laden family links in the
US?

Has someone been sitting on the FBI? Transcript of a BBC Newsnight Report on
"the questionable links of the bin Laden Family," 6 Nov 2001
11:1 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BBC111A.html
11:2 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probetrans.htm (added comments by
Jared Israel)


Bush thwarted FBI probe against bin Ladens, Hindustan Times, 7 Nov 2001
11:3 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/HIN111A.html

US efforts to make peace summed up by `oil', by Lara Marlowe, 19 Nov 2001
11:4 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAR111A.html
11:5 http://www.fisiusa.org/fisi_News_items/news369.htm
Called Off the Trail? FBI Agents Probing Terror Links Say They Were Told,
‘Let Sleeping Dogs Lie’. By Brian Ross and Vic Walker. ABC News Dec 19 2002
11:6
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/prim...eblowers021219.
html
After capturing one of the six most wanted Taliban leaders, the US then let
him go. "By mistake " of course, because of "flawed intelligence."
11:7 Taliban general 'freed by mistake' Sunday Times Dec 19 2002
http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/...704967%255E1557
4,00.html
11:8 US accidentally set wanted Taliban Leader free. Clari news Dec 18 2002.
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/w...taliban.RVGa_CD
I.html

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Section 12: Its really not so surprising.

In 1962, the joint chiefs of staff approved a CIA plan to commit terrorist
acts against the US and frame Cuba.

Friendly Fire -- Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities
to Provoke War With Cuba, by David Ruppe, 1 May 2001
12:1 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...efs_010501.html

Pentagon Proposed Pretexts for Cuba Invasion in 1962, The National Security
Archive, 30 Apr 2001
12:2 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Northwoods - a plan for terror to justify war. Comments by Jared Israel.
12:3 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-int.htm

Scanned images of the actual document.
12.4 Page i http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-i.htm
12.5 Page ii http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-ii.htm
12:6 Page iii http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-iii.htm
12.7 Page 1 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-1.htm
12.8 Page 2 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-2.htm
12.9 Page 3 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-3.htm
12.10 Page 4 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-4.htm
12.11 Page 5 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-5.htm
12.12 Page 6 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-6.htm
12.13 Page 7 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-7.htm
12.14 Page 8 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-8.htm
12.15 Page 9 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-9.htm
12:16 Page 10 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-10.htm
12.17 Page 11 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-11.htm
12.18 Page 12 http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-12.htm

US military schemes- ominously like 9/11.
12:19 http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/bamford.htm
If such tactics were considered normal and acceptable practice by the
Government in 1962, what evidence is there that things have changed?

Henry Kissinger advocated a similar strategy in 1992
12:20 http://www.spotlight.org/Newsbureau...edia/media.html

as Did Zbigniew Brzezinski in 1997.
A War in the Planning for Four Years. HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE?
Zbigniew Brzezinski and the CFR Put War Plans In a 1997 Book - It Is "A
Blueprint for World Dictatorship," Says a Former German Defense and NATO
Official Who Warned of Global Domination in 1984,in an Exclusive Interview
With FTW by Michael C. Ruppert
12:21 http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html

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Section 13: Who created and funded the Al Qaeda Network?

A Vital Piece of the Puzzle: Dollars for Terror -- The United States and
Islam, by Carol Brouillet ·
13:1 http://www.communitycurrency.org/vital.html

Bin Laden in the Balkans - Collection of mainstream media articles. Compiled
by Jared Israel
13:2 http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm

The Creation called Osama by Shamsul Islam
13:3 http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/creat.htm

"Articles documenting US creation of Taliban and Bin Laden's terrorist
network" Series of links to different articles
13:4 http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/doc.htm

"Osama Bin Laden: Made in USA" by Jared Israel
13:5 http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/madein.htm

"Bush and the media cover up the Jihad schoolbook scandal" by Jared Israel
13:6 http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/jihad.htm

U.S. Protects Al-Qaeda Terrorists in Kosovo, by Umberto Pascali, 2 Nov 2001
13:7 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/PAS111A.html

Which Terrorists are worse? Al Quaeda? Or the KLA? by Jared Israel
13:8 http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/kla-aq.htm

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Section 14 : Who created the civil war in Afghanistan?
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National
Security Adviser [Posted 6 October 2001]. Ex- National Security Chief
Brzezinski admits: Afghan war and Islamism were made in Washington
14:1 http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm

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Section 15:Why have the President and Vice President resisted moves for an
inquiry into Sept 11?

Bush asks Daschle to limit Sept. 11 probes CNN Jan 29 2002.
15:1 http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS...nv.terror.probe

Bush, GOP blast calls for 9/11 inquiry. CNN May 17 2002
15:2 http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS...nt.gop.senators

Daschle: Bush, Cheney Urged No Sept. 11 Inquiry Reuters newswire UK May 26
2002
15:3 http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=1680

Bush and Cheney Block 9-11 Investigation By Mike Hersh Oct 24, 2002, 2:22pm
15:4 http://www.mikehersh.com/article_158.shtml

Bush Was Warned of Hijackings Before 9/11; Lawmakers Want Public Inquiry ABC
News May 16 2002
4:5 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/D...memo020516.html

15.5 Bush opposes 9/11 query panel. CBS News. May 23 2002.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002...ain509096.shtml

This is among the most mind-numbing and nauseating collection of material I have ever read. There is irrefutable evidence here that the government refuses to face/explain - it smells like criminal activity through and through and suddenly I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the U.S. staged this attack against itself...

read for yourself. If you want the "short version", take a look at this article in particular (http://66.129.143.7/june2aa.htm) - perhaps you'll be more interested to read the rest of the material in this thread as a result - I know I am..

To clarify further...

The House of Representatives passed articles of Impeachment against Bill Clinton, however, he was later acquitted by Senators in a 45-55 vote against the articles (slim margin).

The trial was only the second impeachment trial in U.S. history.

Okay, after extensive reading and thinking on the matter, I've drawn some conclusions for myself which are slightly less dramatic than my initial impression, but it's still not a pretty picture.

I think that the hard-core conspiracy theorists are arguing that for about 100 years the U.S. has plotted a long-term plan to ultimately take over the entire world. this is the whole idea behind the New World Order - one governing body, one currency for all the people, the world over.

I think that if the U.S. has plans / delusions in regard to this that it only a recent development and not something that has been in the works for 100 years. It just doesn't seem plausible to me that several generations have hassed this plan from one to the next and kept it moving, all in agreement with their forebears. Suddently the idea of Manifest Destiny was never to go from the Atlantic to the Pacific, but from the Atlantic all the way back around to the other side of the Atlantic. It can't go that deep. Those people had just figured out that the world wasn't flat and that Earth really orbits our Sun; they'd have had no concept of ruling the entire world.

Modern Man, on the other hand is an entirely different creature. He has the same war-mongering power-hungriness as Man of Old, however he is now armed with communications, weaponry, intelligence, vast, highly coordinated military complexes, deep rooted surveilance and control structures, technology - everything someone might need if they did come up with the notion that a New World Order might be attainable. I would not put it past our current leaders to have this mindset. I wouldn't put it past them to deny to the bitter end either. Nor would I put it past them to actually enact the full system completely beneath observable radar of common-folk by nesting the structure beneath treaties, wheels & deals, support rings, etc in order to implant the system without anyone ever realizing it's there. It's far too BIG of a concept for any individual to root out all the connections. Hence The Yankee Octopus.

There are undeniable lies being handed down from our government leaders to the people today. September 11th smells like a dirty rat to me. There is plenty of evidence that supports that no 757 impacted the Pentagon. They lied about DNA identification of victims (impossible since they were all burned to a crisp). there are plenty of other factors that do not, CAN NOT line up - because it didn't happen. So what did happen? Who knows? Our government won't reveal it to us. They lie about that, what else will they lie about? Was the whole ordeal a sham? Is our own government responsible for arranging the entire disaster, guilty of treasonal mass murder in an effort to "galvanize the nation" into reacting as Rumsfeld had open suggested earlier in the year? IT STINKS! And it's horribly saddening that they are willing to sacrifice our own in order to support their causes and personal agendas.. and an agenda that, if indeed it leads towards the New World Order, may just be flat out morally wrong.

God have mercy on them all.

TTT

Clinton WAS impeached. he was just not removed from office.

Well, whether Clinton was impeached or not, my opinion is that he was really hard-up for it to bang with Lewinsky. That mayy br crude, but it's my opinion.

On the issue of 9/11, on that morning I was starting a new job. that was my first day of training. I was to start at 9 AM. That day happens to be my brother's birthday also. I had 2 good things going for me that morning... My new job was for a cable company as a CSR, and they happened to have like 50 tv screens showing different channels. On practically EVERY channel, the attack was shown. I was freaking out for a minute, thinking, "God, who would do this, and where would they be doing it next??" Then I remembered how Bush's election was very questionable. I remembered something that I had read, off a conspiracy website, long before the election, about how things would progress. It was weird...

The site said something about Bush being a shoe-in for president, because he was backed by the "powers that be". The site said the election would be very controversial, and that Bush's election would even be considered illegal by some people. It also said that his election would put in motion a specific plan to strengthen the positions and power of the people who "pull the strings". It said that Junior would lead America in a war, after a MAJOR staged terrorist attack on US soil.

Now, when I read it, I said that it would seem plausible. I said that whether the theorist was right or wrong, there was definitely something wrong with democracy as it is in these days.

Then, the events started to occur.

Bush was elected after recounts. The issue is still one of controversy.

9/11 toppled America's security, and that of the entire world. If such a large-scale attack could be carried out against AMERICA, then it could happen ANYWHERE. America, led by Bush, brought together the other powers of the world in a united cause: the removal of all terrorist threats. We have the fallguy, Usama (is he dead or alive? My guess: long-dead). The entire 9/11 attack HAD to have been known about long before it occurred, and even if it wasn't, it would've been MORE than possible to stop the planes from whacking any buildings, let alone the freakin WORLD TRADE CENTRE. Isn't there a military base, or naval base, located in New York Harbour or something? I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that any deviation from a flight's standard path, would set off some sort of warning signals. The aviation systems in place don't just allow for planes full of people to just be LOST. That's not very secure, and if that were the case, then I'd be ROYALLY pissed that the level of security would be so low.

These things were ALLOWED to happen. And they were allowed to happen for a purpose. I think it's unfortunate that there are people in the world (probably thinking they're the world's problem-solvers...) who would put such a low price on individual life...

Oh, and for anyone who thinks that allowing or causing terrorist attacks on your own soil is bogus and never happens, take a look at a videogame (I know, unlikely source of truth, but this game is a meticulously detailed game, based on real operational procedures of government and military...) called SUPERPOWER. In that game, you (as leader of any country in the world...) can use espionage tactics to either start a war, or cause international political pressure, etc... You can perform terrorist attacks on YOUR OWN SOIL, and blame that attack on another country, so that you can go to war with them. Or you can cause attacks in a country, and blame it on another country, hoping they will go to war and allow you to achieve some other activity that furthers your country's agenda.

This may be a videogame, but the game was based on real procedures made available to the public, and the producers of the game used that information to develop Superpower. Also, I used the videogame reference for another purpose: to demonstrate how I think those people who are really in power view the world. They see it all as a great big game. Powers working against powers, gaining footholds that help in furthering their agendae, etc. That SUCKS, cuz we citizens are the ones that suffer while they play their games....

Man.....what are you getting at are you saying We Knocked down the twin towers or what???? who cares where who was, he was trying to be protected from possible filight pattern attacks, **** those bastards hijacked the planes and crashed them...what else do you need to know SAD YOU ****S are talking about this TRAGIDY like its an episode of McGiver last night, ****..I hate you people some people lost family in that awful accident let it rest.

Ok, here we go again....

I may not have actually LOST family, but I very nearly did lose one of my closest cousins by mere minutes. The tragedy of the attack and it's ramifications to the families of those killed aren't lost on me. I'm rather offended that you would say such a thing without knowing who this attack affected and in what ways. Who do you think talks about the incident the MOST? The people who weren't really personally affected, or those who were there or lost family or friends? How about those who JUST MISSED being a part of the casualty list, or relatives of those people?

I might not be american, but I have a right to get to the bottom of what happened, and why it may have been allowed to happen.

The posts I've read from you so far on this forum haven't shown very much ability to read between the lines or look past what you hear or see on the news. There is always more than what is told to the general public. ALWAYS. It's fine with me if you don't want to know more than what you're told, but I'm not OK with that. ESPECIALLY when my personal freedoms could be compromised as a result of my not being aware of the truth, along with most of the population. Or anyone that I know and love could be harmed in any significant way because of secrets and hidden agendae, etc.

Look, you can believe whatever you want. You can believe that there is no reason to question anything that was ever told to you, even by those who appear to be trustworthy. Fine. Do what you feel you need to do. I would suggest, however, that you don't jump on others who tend to try to look beyond the obvious and what is presented. There's always more to be learned, and a lot of the time that additional information is of a negative light.

This is all very very scarry. All I can say we need to build more mental hospitals.

You conspiracy theorists are great! Man, i'm glad you guys are around for the sheer entertainment of it all.
Let's all get together sometime and watch that mel gibson movie while we exchange our new internet aquired 'facts' on how the holocaust never happened.

I noticed that half of those links were either the same thing, or they contradicted themselves.

Everyone keep in mind that I could think up a conspiracy to "prove" Kermit the frog is behind 9/11. A bunch of questionable links don't do anything for me, I need to see less B.S. and more relevent unrefutable evidense.

9/11 was a TRAGETY. It wasn't a campaign.

I notice that how most of you show great details along with Urls to back up the claims into why the government is connected with 9-11. On the other hand, the non-believers just dismiss it as "crazy talk", but don't have nothing to contradict the information. Instead of criticizing, why don't you prove that were wrong!

This is ignorance at its finest

"but don't have nothing to contradict the information."

Ironic.. the way you PHRASED the sentance... (don't + nothing = cancle each other out!) -- Just playing Search.

But how can you PROVE a conspiracy wrong? If the government was connected with 9/11, why would they put clues on the $20 bill? Search, you never told me if you believed in that $20 bill conspiracy...

Here's a conspiracy: Paul McCartney is an imposter. The real Paul McCartney was killed in a car crash in 1967. The guy touring the Earth right now isn't Paul, he's just some dude that won a look-a-like/sound-a-like contest, who gladly filled in for Paul when he died. All the beatles know about this, they even left clues on all the Albums covers. Just google it, you'll see.

The conspiracy MUST be true because no one can prove it's not true. Right?

Fingerprint analysis would dispell that myth quite quickly, but I challenge you to find someone who can legitimately explain what happened at the Pentagon - where did all the plane's wreckage go? In all the hell-fire that unleashed on impact, how is it that supposedly LIQUID FUEL pooled up on the ground and needed to be cleaned out? It's all VERY fishy and the public just bends over, nods and smiles, nods and smiles..

Eyewitness Accounts




Flight 77 Crash at the Pentagon, Sept. 11, 2001



"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001


"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001


"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001


"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002


"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle—almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course.'"
- "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001


"'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,' eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said."
- "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001


"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001


"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001


"'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'"
- "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001


"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit."
- "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001


"Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash."
- "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001


"Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. 'I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars.' McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. 'The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building,' he said. 'My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression,' he said. 'There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows.'"
- "Pentagon Crash Eyewitness Comforted Victims." MDW News Service, 28 Sep 2001


"'I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building,' said Carla Thompson, who works in an Arlington, Va., office building about 1,000 yards from the crash. 'I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up up—red, everything red,' she said. 'Everybody was just starting to go crazy. I was petrified.'"
- "Terrorists Attack New York, Pentagon." Los Angeles Times, 12 Sep 2001


"I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."
- Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA Today


"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 2002


"Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of the commuters who witnessed the attack on the Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd., listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. 'It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I'd just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, "That's not going to make it to National Airport." And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black, thick smoke.'"
- "Terrorist 'Situation'." American Lawyer Media, 11 Sep 2001

That pretty much tells it like it is huh?
After watch both planes hit the WTC on TV and personally witnessing military aircraft crash, I can assure you that not much is left when it's over.

If a plane did not hit the pentagon, what happened to the plane?

The Airline would know if they are missing a plane or not.

Some say they crashed it at the Ohio Penn border.
Another like plane crashed there during that time period.

heavens

a much better question to ask is....

Would 9/11 have even happened if the Democrats were in power in 2001?
That's as hypothetical as your question. (by the way I was a registered Republican then)

Look, I would be a tad more willing to accept the BS legislation of the Patriot Act and other upcoming BS legislation and policies and procedures if there were no doubts as to who actually engineered and masterminded 9/11.