Bush says God chose him to lead his nation

Post-9/11 Era Forum

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The book, The Faith of George W. Bush, was written by Christian author Stephen Mansfield. It details numerous incidents where Bush's faith has been shown to be at the centre of his political thinking.

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lol, a mad man as president and Mr Universe as governor somewhere else .... going worst and worst guys, good luck

When I was just a wee little thing I was told that God was good and loved everyone. Now, of course, I don't believe in God, but certainly have to ponder about anyone who says they do and purposely order people to be killed. The God I learned about loved everyone, not just W's idea of the godly. How can anyone back this idiot?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke (1729-97)

God is real. It's a matter of faith whether you accept that or not. Those who don't won't. Those who do, will.

However, I believe man has no idea what God really wants of them. They use Him to advance their own idiologies about how they "think" life should be lived.

The problem isn't with God. It's with man not lifting himself up to God's level of expectation, but lowering God to theirs.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke (1729-97)

One of... - how can God, who controls everything, I mean he's made everything happen, forever, y'know 9-11, herpes, manure, cystic-fibrosis, nerve gas, parkinson's disease, dementia, the Bush family, all that really bad stuff....how can you ... I mean God created this war because he creates everything - he makes everything happen - he's creating it as we speak - he's making me type these words .... he works in mysterious ways....I know, but surely he doesn't intend for some of his flock, and that means everyone, surely, cos we're all created by him so he knows what we're all going to do, ... what? where was i - oh yeah, for some of the flock that he created would blow us all to hell in nuclear armageddon? why would god do that? why would god specifically create humans who want to blow everything up. Has god got jack of humans? Does he want the dinosaurs back? or adam and eve maybe, give those crazy kids another chance... - maybe he wants a mutant army of cockroaches to RISE FROM THE PIT OF ARMAGEDDON and take over the world and open coffee shops and drycleaners and generally be nice to each other.

Coogee, we have heard many interpretations of God by many people, and what they believe his judgement on man will be. Unfortunately it's been tainted by biased opinions and agendas which are not so righteous.

For the record, I don't believe that God causes everything to happen. I believe He allows many things to happen, and many things not to. Disease, poverty, violence to name a few are results from disobedience. We as humans tend to do things and indulge in things that are of no benefit to us or human nature simply because it feels good at the time.

For every action there is consequence. If we believe there is a God that intends good, then it's reasonable to believe there are forces that mean evil. People will use God to achieve any goal, no matter how right or wrong it is.

The proof will be in the pudding. If at the end, the results are carnage and chaos, then I believe it's safe to say that God was not in that from the start.

As for Bush stating that God put him in charge, well he may be telling the truth but not for the reasons he believes. God just may be using him to bring into play God's plan. Only God knows what the end of all this evil will be. We can't see it from where we sit, but I believe in the end, God's will will be done, not Bush's, the UN, Osama's or any others. We all will be held accountable for that dash between the dates of when we're born to when we pass on. Until then, I'll try and do the best I can and leave the rest to Him.

Morally guided president? In whom are you talking George W. Bush?

I don't know how old you are but I think you need some enlightenment on history so let me share a few things of history.

Do some looking up on the Savings & Loan scandal in Texas back in the late 80's early 90’s? Any web browser will take you there, but I'll give you some outlines.

It seems that George Jr. and Jeb were the CEO's of a financial institution called Texas Thrift Savings & Loan. After a while $500 million dollars came up missing. Of course with that kind of money missing there was an outcry for an investigation. Many Texans lost their savings. In the course of the investigation back in 1992, Bush Sr. pardoned the entire scandal. I mean everyone involved. Of course this included Jeb and Georgie Jr. His reason for the pardons? "A way to for America to put the past behind us" How about that? Guess who bailed S&L out? Glad you asked. It was the rest of the American tax payers. It seems that Jeb and little George got away with robbing that institution blind with absolutely no ramifications what so ever.

I know you heard of Texan firm Enron. Isn't it funny how that investigation seemed to slow down slower than the hunt for Osama?

Well how about Bush privatizing all public land. 530 million acres. This one is too deep to explain on this board so try this link.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/02/22790.html

Morally guided? I think not. I think what he's managed to do was pull the wool over America's eyes on a consistent basis. Everything he does is motivated by him receiving money and guess from who? You got it, me and you and every other tax payer in this country.

Iraq is just another opportunity for him to raid the taxpayer's treasure chest and he's doing it right out in front of your nose. Fight on terrorism I think is what he's calling it. Meanwhile him and Cheney's contractors are making a mint in the new 87 billion dollar payout he just dealt to reconstruct Iraq. Why do you think he doesn’t want to give the UN control over there? Because when he's finished installing the US interest government, they will continue to help him by awarding contracts to his cronies firms. And let's not even talk about his consistent tax breaks for him and his boys since he's been in office year after year.

If Bush is your measuring stick on morals, then your standards for endorsing moral behavior is pretty low.

Typical response. I guess I really didn't expect anything different.

You don't have to like it. What I presented you with was facts pure and simple. But as usual you will stick with him because he's a republican.

As far as your face is concerned, I would never get that close to you, and as far as Bush is concerned, don't feel too bad once you've awakened one day. Just remember, 60 seconds after you, another was born.

To quote Rodney Dangerfield "Now I know why lions eat their young"

Horse sh*it? Everything I've said to you is a matter of record. But your ignorant ass wouldn't care now would ya?

Live in ya ignorance.

PS I wouldn't get in your face, Your breath stink

During the aftermath of WWII, and the reconstruction of Europe, when American GIs were being shot up by Nazi guerrillas called 'werewolves,' American newspapers kept printing: OCCUPATION BOTCHED, and garbage to that effect. ("Whatever bleeds, leads"—such is the media.) Same sh!t the left-wing Pesidential opportunists are spewing now—they would like a job—even at the expense of endangering the morale of this nation and the lives of U.S. troops. So shame on them—still, they're only digging their own political graves. This nation always comes together when it has to and it will do so again when this partisanship garbage is done in November 2004.


"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." —Edmund Burke (1729-97)

I wish I had a quarter for everything I was called a left-wingist.

You can call me anything you wish, left wing, right wing, chicken wing. It will never dismiss the facts I've jus presented. It's unfortunate that no matter how much you show people the light, they choose to stay living in darkness.

During the aftermath of WWII, and the reconstruction of Europe, when American GIs were being shot up by Nazi guerrillas called 'werewolves,' American newspapers kept printing: OCCUPATION BOTCHED, and garbage to that effect. ("Whatever bleeds, leads"—such is the media.) Same sh!t the left-wing Pesidential opportunists are spewing now—they would like a job—even at the expense of endangering the morale of this nation and the lives of U.S. troops. So shame on them—still, they're only digging their own political graves. This nation always comes together when it has to and it will do so again when this partisanship garbage is done in November 2004.


"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." —Edmund Burke (1729-97)

Yeah, it's stupid enough for you to get a kick out of. Oaf.

Now the anti-U.S. foreigner is trying to tell us what's funny and what isn't....

Isn't it funny when you have no ground to stand on you have to resort to insults? But I guess that's what to expect from a limited mind that needs a leader to justify one's existance.

I'm not anti-US, I'm anti-you, fool - big difference - huge - plus I'm not a foreigner - we're in cyber-space remember. It's nuetral. Or do you want to claim it?

Go on now - find someone else's quote... - lemme have it. Gimme some more of Patton's lunacy. Or how about Bonaparte? Hitler? He's about as right-wing as you.

I was in Dachau when the German armies surrendered, it was a suitable place to be. For surely this war was made to abolish Dachau and all the other places like Dachau and everything that Dachau stands for. To abolish it forever... We must know now that there can never be peace if there is cruelty like this in the world. And if ever again we tolerate such cruelty we have no right to peace."

Martha Gellhorn
American War Correspondent
Spanish Civil War, World War II, Vietnam

why god - whatever his name is - let happen all that ?

quite simple .... he gives the Human the freedom of choice ....

choice of doing good things as well as bad things .... the result: you have to assume your acts (?) ....


and to frenchfries: his god is not the one of the other ......


PS: I don't believe in god .... - whatever his name is -

cheers ...