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Posted by: jvstr

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Originally posted by JY_French
MrJukoVette, your assertion about EU wanting to be friendly with muslims so no terrorist acts are committed on their soil, is simply dismaying.


Actually, MrJukoVette has come quite close to hitting the nail right on the head.

The Muslim infiltration of Europe has alot to do with Europe's attitudes and positions regarding the Middle East. Most notably France, Germany, Belgium, UK, and the Netherlands, to name a few.

There exists another sign, an ugly sign, of the growing presence of Muslims in Europe...

I've noticed that anti-semitism has become quite the rave over the last couple of years in European Wonderland, especially in France.

Jewish teens and adults have been harassed, ridiculed, and/or violently assaulted. Jewish synagogues have been torched, firebombed, shot at, or damaged. Jewish centers and institutions have been vandalized, covered with anti-semitic graffiti, or burned. Kosher shops have been vandalized, plastered with anti-semitic graffiti, and even shot at. Businesses owned by Jews have been vandalized and/or torched. Jewish cemetaries have been desecrated and plastered with anti-semitic graffiti (swastikas). Monuments and memorials to those Jews who perished and/or survived the Holocaust have been badly damaged or completely destroyed. Jewish homes and apartments have been set ablaze with gasoline or molotov cocktails. Jewish schools have been ransacked, damaged, and/or set on fire, and Jewish children have been stoned. Etc.

I really got a kick out of those 'peace' protesters last March in Paris outside of a Jewish youth organization who assaulted a number of Jewish teens, sending one to the hospital, or that Rabbi who was assaulted just last week in a Paris suburb. What really impressed me the most, though, were those brave warriors of allah who badly beat that Jewish couple in Villeurbanne, the young woman of whom was pregnant.

Hardly surprising, though, considering that the Muslim population in Europe has doubled in the last ten years with an estimated half-a-million new immigrants, most from Muslim nations, arriving in Europe every year. That the approx. 20 million Muslims of Europe are birthing at a rate three times higher than native Europeans makes it even less surprising. The real clincher here is that all of this anti-semitic violence falls entirely inline with the Palestinian intifada that was declared in September of 2000.

One has to wonder, though, where the head is at of our dear and good friend, the President of France, Jacques Chirac.

In early 2002, a year and a half since the Palestinian intifada, amidst anti-semitism that is plain as day, Jacques Chirac claims in front of Israeli Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, that there are no anti-semites in France.

Later, in the Spring of 2002, Jacques Chirac then accuses Israel of an anti-France campaign, raising the possibility of "consequences" if Israel did not stop presenting France as an anti-Semitic country.

In late May of 2002, an exerpt from a letter written from Europe by Jack Kemp:

"I am writing this while traveling in Europe, and I am particularly disturbed by visible vestiges of anti-Semitism from the past and also by clear evidence of its ugly re-emergence. Synagogue burnings, cemetery desecrations, vandalism against Jewish businesses and street gangs beating up Jews, official government warnings that Jews should protect themselves from violence by not wearing any "identifying" marks or garb, anti-Semitic propagandizing and pamphleteering, vicious editorial attacks on the Jews, trade union threats to boycott and embargo Israeli imports -- all of these combine to create a hateful anti-Jewish climate in Europe not seen since the end of the Third Reich."


In the Fall of 2002, an exerpt from a letter written to Jacques Chirac by the Anti-Defamation League:

"We are surprised and disappointed that President Chirac continues to dismiss the very real concern that Jewish organizations, human rights groups, members of Congress and others have raised with regard to the recent surge of anti-Semitic incidents in France. The French authorities and Jewish organizations have reported more than 400 incidents of anti-Jewish violence since September 2000, including firebombings of synagogues, violent assaults and vandalism to Jewish institutions and property. To describe this troubling trend as "a few incidents," as President Chirac does in his interview with The New York Times, is to deny the extent of the problem and to denigrate the concerns of world Jewry and others."


What's interesting is that in 2001 over a 1,000 Jews moved from France, and in 2002, over 2,000 left France. A record number that hasn't been surpassed in over 30 years. Many of whom stated that they left because they prefer to be under a government that they know is on their side. In the words of Jonathan Taieb, a young Jewish student who left France at the beginning of this year:

"As a Jew I don't see any future for me in France. Just put on a skull cap in the street and see the reaction you get. While Muslim girls can wear veils and no-one says a word."

"I'm sad to say goodbye to my family and friends, but France, no. How can I be sad to leave a country which is without exaggeration, anti-Semitic?"


Amidst all of this, I find it quite humorous that the leftist clowns of Europe like to coin President Bush as 'Hitler'. If there was one leader in the Western world who was worthy of the 'Hitler' label it would most certainly be the President of France, Jacques Chirac -- Western puppet of the Arab/Muslim world.


--JV
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Posted by: JY_French

What kind of attitude would you expect: denying that such agressions have happened in France. They did happen, and, you are right, they have been committed by people of muslim denomination.
Not later than tonight, we learned that a catholic church has been ransacked in Nice, in a quarter mostly inhabited by muslims.
We do have a problem with a minority of people who contempt our laws and have no respect for other citizens.
One of the effort carried out to solve the problem is a proper education. In parallel, and it is important to point it out, the police and the justice are extremely severe in the punisment of these people. No need to add that their acts are condemned by the vast majority of the population, muslims included.
People with caps on their head still walk in the streets of France, and I am confident that this will always be possible.
I don't agree about your appreciation of european foreign policy in general, French one in particular, and Chirac actions more specifically.
I really believe that the position is balanced and that efforts are being done to reach agreements on the world scene so that, for example, Israëlis and Palestinians can live peacefully on their piece of land.
The "Hitler" label granted to Chirac is absurd and insulting. By the way, I did not approve some extreme-lefts placards labeling Bush as a new Hitler. In both cases this is non-sense.

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Posted by: jvstr

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Originally posted by JY_French
The "Hitler" label granted to Chirac is absurd and insulting.


Good. Suck it up you smelly frenchman!
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Posted by: frenchfries

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Originally posted by jvstr

.... If there was one leader in the Western world who was worthy of the 'Hitler' label it would most certainly be the President of France, Jacques Chirac -- Western puppet of the Arab/Muslim world.


--JV



Is it because a French cockholded you that you hate France?
You mate have a serious problem, and it is not only because of an intense sexual frustration.
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Posted by: jvstr

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Originally posted by frenchfries



Is it because a French cockholded you that you hate France?
You mate have a serious problem, and it is not only because of an intense sexual frustration.



Another smelly frenchman whos nerve has been struck.


--JV
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Posted by: USA1

Not only will Muslims in France continue with their hatred for Jews, they will soon bite the hand that feeds them. Chirac has ignorantly befriended the enemy.

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Posted by: JY_French

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Originally posted by jvstr


Good. Suck it up you smelly frenchman!


Fine. At least we clearly see what kind of person you are. The kind of one like a cesspool spewing excess crap over his PC. Racist, far right fellow member ... keep on exuding your hate. I suggest you to enlist and go into action, killing those ****ing bastards over there - sure a good muslim is a dead one, and their accomplices, the evil French, right the same. Yee-haaah, what a piece of cake: so many troubles and wars to come ....
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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by JY_French


Fine. At least we clearly see what kind of person you are. The kind of one like a cesspool spewing excess crap over his PC. Racist, far right fellow member ... keep on exuding your hate. I suggest you to enlist and go into action, killing those ****ing bastards over there - sure a good muslim is a dead one, and their accomplices, the evil French, right the same. Yee-haaah, what a piece of cake: so many troubles and wars to come ....


This is what jvstr was responding to, Frenchie:

'Is it because a French cockholded you that you hate France?
You mate have a serious problem, and it is not only because of an intense sexual frustration. '


What do you Frenchies expect—to be 'c o c k-held'? Hmmm?
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Posted by: frenchfries

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Originally posted by USA1
Not only will Muslims in France continue with their hatred for Jews, they will soon bite the hand that feeds them. Chirac has ignorantly befriended the enemy.


You guys are amazing in your logic:
1) We are the good guys, so we can't be wrong.
2) Ben Laden is not Iraqi, but we must Punish him, so let's attack Iraq, perhaps is there wmd down there.
3) All allies which are not attacking Iraq because we decided so are traitors.
4) Because Iraq is a muslim country, then all muslims are terrorists.
5) Because some muslims live in some European countries, those countries supports Saddam or terrorism.

Bravo!!! Encore!!!
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Posted by: jvstr

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Originally posted by frenchfries


You guys are amazing in your logic:
1) We are the good guys, so we can't be wrong.
2) Ben Laden is not Iraqi, but we must Punish him, so let's attack Iraq, perhaps is there wmd down there.
3) All allies which are not attacking Iraq because we decided so are traitors.
4) Because Iraq is a muslim country, then all muslims are terrorists.
5) Because some muslims live in some European countries, those countries supports Saddam or terrorism.

Bravo!!! Encore!!!



Is that really how europeans interpret things?

No wonder Europe is so screwed up. You must be honored that France is leading Europe right down the toilet.

Icky.


--JV
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Posted by: USA1

You guys are amazing in your logic:
1) We are the good guys, so we can't be wrong.

No, we were wrong. We were wrong to give France a vote on the security councel.

2) Ben Laden is not Iraqi, but we must Punish him, so let's attack Iraq, perhaps is there wmd down there.
Ben Who?

3) All allies which are not attacking Iraq because we decided so are traitors.
No, not trailors, because you were never with us in the first place. More like hypocrites.

4) Because Iraq is a muslim country, then all muslims are terrorists.
No, not all but, coming to a theater near you.

5) Because some muslims live in some European countries, those countries supports Saddam or terrorism.
No, not some. France and Russia.

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Posted by: Barbed wire

From the experience of this part of the world I can confirm that Muslim immigrants are never assimilated in European society.

It may be so because their culture differs drastically from the European. But the situation, to mind, looks like this.

1. In 1960 France invited many Muslim immigrants from North Africa.

2. Those have much higher birth rate then ethnic French people. While ethnic French women don't want to have children, prefering the benefits of career and wealth, Muslims generally have large families.

Conclusions:

Now we see that the Muslim share in France's society is increasing because of it.

Then, the French can do nothing to this. The Muslim immigrants entered France almost fifty years ago. They mostly have French citizenship. So, the authorities can't send them back.
The age of the massacre of St. Bartholomew passed long ago, and Mr. Chirac won't shoot Muslims from a window in Palais de L'Elysees.

Moreover, don't whether that's true:

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in 1994, their special forces boarded a hijacked aircraft that landed in Marseilles and killed the hijackers—an unusual step for the French, who have traditionally preferred to negotiate with, or give in to, terrorists

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12...barbarians.html

So, either the French find a way to assimilate their Muslims. or we'll finally see the half-moon over Notre Dame De Paris.
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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by Barbed wire


So, either the French find a way to assimilate their Muslims. or we'll finally see the half-moon over Notre Dame De Paris.


Not much of a stretch....
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Posted by: oneofpeace

jvstr you seem to leave out one important detail in your assertion. The USA is the only country constantly meddling in that region.

Perhaps this may have something to do with us being targeted so frequently? Hmmmmm!!!

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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by Barbed wire


So, either the French find a way to assimilate their Muslims. or we'll finally see the half-moon over Notre Dame De Paris.


Not much of a stretch....
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Posted by: frenchfries

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Originally posted by USA1
You guys are amazing in your logic:


[B]3) All allies which are not attacking Iraq because we decided so are traitors.

No, not trailors, because you were never with us in the first place. More like hypocrites.


You really need your memory to be refresh...

Who betrayed England and France 30 years ago in the 1956 Suez war?

Who betrayed the British during the 1982 Falkland war, 18 years ago?

You 'd better keep a very low profile on this point mate, because you are far from beeing in position of showing off.
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Posted by: Americaaah

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Originally posted by jvstr


Is that really how europeans interpret things?

No wonder Europe is so screwed up. You must be honored that France is leading Europe right down the toilet.

Icky.


--JV


That's my understanding as well....
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Posted by: JY_French

We did not expect from you guys anything else that this display of empty hate.

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Posted by: Americaaah

Ditto.

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Posted by: jvstr

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Originally posted by JY_French
We did not expect from you guys anything else that this display of empty hate.



I don't know how I missed that one, but I take issue with what you just said.

My hatred for you is not empty. I have every reason in the world to hate your guts.


--JV
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