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| Posted by: jvstr | | So what's the latest news on the Muslim infiltration of Europe?
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| Posted by: Barbed wire | | I'd also like to hear why Westen European countries have (or recently had ) that much Muslim immigration.
Those countries look like that they don't want immigration, contrary to Canada, Australia, etc.
Bur by now France has 10% of its population constituted of Muslims.. How comes? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | Very strange, isn't it, Barbed? Same in UK and Germany... Why do they let such massive immigration?
Maybe because they need cheap labour inside the country and not half-a-world away somewhere in China? Maybe this cheap labour has it's own hidden agenda? Maybe EU wants to be friendly with muslims so not terrorist acts are committed on their soil? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: frenchfries | |
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Originally posted by Barbed wire
I'd also like to hear why Westen European countries have (or recently had ) that much Muslim immigration.
Those countries look like that they don't want immigration, contrary to Canada, Australia, etc.
Bur by now France has 10% of its population constituted of Muslims.. How comes? |
Because lots of muslims countries were colonies, and only 30 km of water separates us from Marocco. If you were really Russian, you would know that...
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | That doesnt explain why there are millions of them in EU. Continent which never accepted immigrants and where any non-white person is noticed, would be able to keep all these people outside if they wanted to. There is a reason in such massive immigration. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: JY_French | | Muslims are 8 % of the French population.
MrJukoVette, your assertion about EU wanting to be friendly with muslims so no terrorist acts are committed on their soil, is simply dismaying.
Historically, "old Europe" countries used to be colonial powers in countries inhabited by muslims. In return, numerous ones came here, and they were moreover needed some 40 / 30 years ago to satisfy the needs of the economies.
Massive immigration is no longer wanted here for years.
The problem is illegal immigration - the kind of one the US is facing with Mexicans. If you look at a map, you will easily see what kind of countries are around Europe, in the southern and southeastern areas. Standards of living differences are so huge that you can't expect people to wish to settle here. Tens, sometimes hundreds of them, die each week in an attempt to cross the Mediterranean See on jury crafts.
Unless the Schengen area (Europe) becomes a fortress, which it tries to be but fails to, illegal immigration of people of muslim denomination will continue. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Barbed wire | | I'm a real Russian by ethnical background as well as by citizenship.
Police is the right tool to cope with those from Marocco.
But the point is that you had to grant citizenship to the people from your colonies?
Is (was) there such a law? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: frenchfries | |
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Originally posted by Barbed wire
I'm a real Russian by ethnical background as well as by citizenship.
Police is the right tool to cope with those from Marocco.
But the point is that you had to grant citizenship to the people from your colonies?
Is (was) there such a law? |
Not anymore, as far as I know. Some laws helping famillies to regroup had side effects.
Basically, you are Fench if you are born in French soil (right of soil) or if your parents are French (right of blood). You can also become by marrying a French citizen.
To be born in a French colony was -and sometimes still now, for French territories- not well regarded.
But I noticed that a dangerous shortcut is beeing made: muslims=terrorists...Of course, such assertions are simply ridiculous.
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| Posted by: JY_French | |
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Originally posted by Barbed wire
I'm a real Russian by ethnical background as well as by citizenship.
Police is the right tool to cope with those from Marocco.
But the point is that you had to grant citizenship to the people from your colonies?
Is (was) there such a law? |
The police is already the tool used to cope with those people, and they are not at rest. Should the citizenship be granted to the people from the colonies ? Well, there are different policies regarding this concern, for example between France and Germany - between "Soil right" and "Blood right" approaches (depending on if you are born on the territory or from persons holding the country citizenship).
In fact the result is just the same, since people are settled sometimes since several generations. In concrete terms, it does not make a lot of difference to have or not the nationality - what matters is you are a legal or illegal immigrant.
The people here French, Germans, or else, being so by ethnical background as well as by citizenship are more and more concerned by this problem. We want to keep our culture and ask the immigrants to conform with our laws and principles - the religion is not the problem.
The problem is with the minority of them interested by their rights, but refusing to assume their duty, thus denying those laws, more particularly the ones concerning seculiarism in our societies. The veil on the head of schoolmates is symbolic regarding this issue. But in return the authorities are more and more firm on those principles. So are we the people.
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| Posted by: frenchfries | |
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Originally posted by MrJukoVette
That doesnt explain why there are millions of them in EU. Continent which never accepted immigrants and where any non-white person is noticed, would be able to keep all these people outside if they wanted to. There is a reason in such massive immigration. |
Europe is protecting itself more and more to immigrants. No later than this week, Switzerland voted far right. France nearly did the same. Austria did it. Immigration is an issue, and because of its lifestyle attracts people of third world.
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | What can i say... keep on the work, massive immigration doesnt help anybody. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: frenchfries | |
Previously, Italy was a country of emmigration.But suddenly became an immigration country. Its geographical situation makes a gate for entering Europe: Yougoslavia on east, Muslims on North.
Boats peoples are now trying to reach one of their island, Lampedusa, located not far away from Tunisia. Previously, the favourite way was threw the detroit of Gibraltar, but Spain beefed up its police.
Italians are afraid of this very new situation. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: jvstr | | I read a news bit from Europe the other day reporting that half of all babies born in Belgium are Muslim.
That's pretty pathetic. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MaChiNehead | |
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Originally posted by Barbed wire
I'd also like to hear why Westen European countries have (or recently had ) that much Muslim immigration.
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I'd like you to see some IMMIGRATION statistics from you to see what you are talking about.
Here in Germany the biggest muslim community is Turkish, mostly people who are living here in the second generation, their parents came to Germany in the sixties, together with Italians and Greeks, when we needed workers.
I don't consider the sixties "recently".
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| Posted by: MaChiNehead | |
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Originally posted by jvstr
I read a news bit from Europe the other day reporting that half of all babies born in Belgium are Muslim.
That's pretty pathetic. |
Hähähä that's really pathetic. Do you have any sources for that or did that information just infiltrate your skull like the muslims infiltrated Europe?
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| Posted by: jvstr | |
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Originally posted by jvstr
I read a news bit from Europe the other day reporting that half of all babies born in Belgium are Muslim.
That's pretty pathetic. |
Which makes me wonder... I wonder if nowar is Muslim. A little being that is scared to death of the U.S.A. barreling down on Islamo-Fascism.
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| Posted by: frenchfries | |
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Originally posted by jvstr
I read a news bit from Europe the other day reporting that half of all babies born in Belgium are Muslim.
That's pretty pathetic. |
What are your sources mate? Far right newspapers? If it was true, Belgium would be a muslim country, preaching Allah, don't you think so?
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| Posted by: jvstr | |
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Originally posted by frenchfries
What are your sources mate? Far right newspapers? If it was true, Belgium would be a muslim country, preaching Allah, don't you think so? |
Seek and ye shall find, oh ye of little knowledge.
--JV
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| Posted by: USA1 | | That's their (Muslims) plan. World domination! Looks like they already have a foot hold in Europe from what you guys are saying. God help you, because I won't. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | I have actually read about investigation into few organization's business. Namely, those organizations were so-called public fund raisers, when in fact millions were routed to terrorists thru these "charities". Nobody knows where the money came from, because these organizations did not post any advertisements whatsoever , neither they had any other public appearance. Few of them were in NY and other places across the US.
Please keep in mind that this is not a conspiracy but fact. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MaChiNehead | |
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Originally posted by jvstr
I read a news bit from Europe the other day reporting that half of all babies born in Belgium are Muslim.
That's pretty pathetic. |
Yeah LOL obviously the CIA doesn't know what you know:
URL:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ok/geos/be.html
" People Belgium
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Religions:
Roman Catholic 75%, Protestant or other 25%"
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http://www.kuleuven.ac.be/icrs/reli...r_eng_islam.htm
"THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY IN BELGIUM
Believers
The number of muslim believers in Belgium is estimated between 350.000 and 370.000 (3.6%) in 2000 AD. These are the numbers the government used for the 1998 elections of the Muslim Executive of Belgium."
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | MachineHead: maybe there is 10% muslims in Belgium, that doesnt mean they cant have 10 children per family. I am not exaggerating - that's normal in a muslim family. Compare that to very low birth rates among belgian natives - and you get the picture. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: jvstr | | Those numbers are old and outdated.. not to mention wrong.
France has more like 6-7 million muslims right now. In 1995, they had around 4 million.
Germany had 1.8 million muslims in 1995 and now thay have over 3 million.
A UN study was done (in 2001, I believe) which reported the number of Muslims in Europe has doubled in the last 10 years.
Europe is turning into a little Allahville. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MaChiNehead | | MrJukoVette, the statement was " half of all babies born in Belgium are Muslim". Now 3.6% or 4% or even 10% is not very close to 50% in my opinion. And if you have a look at the link USA1 provided you'll see that 3.5% of the US population are muslims while in Russia it's 9%.... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MrJukoVette | | 50% of born babies is not 50% current population. I already said that arabs like having not less than 7-8 children in their families, while EU natives have 1 or 2, if any. See the difference? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: MaChiNehead | |
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Originally posted by MrJukoVette
50% of born babies is not 50% current population. I already said that arabs like having not less than 7-8 children in their families, while EU natives have 1 or 2, if any. See the difference? |
OK I got your point now. Sorry it took me a while. 
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