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Posted by: Search4Truth

Thanks to GWB

our world has no war rules now

now India can attack Pakistan, and it will be a justified reason because they are a threat and our building weapons

AMERICA, cannot make peace agreements anymore because they will look like hypocrites

look at these effects
more wars are going to come as a result because of our moron president

THE FUTURE LOOKS DIM

thanks alot george bush!

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Posted by: Right-hand

Countries have always been free to go to war whenever they please. The reason they don't has nothing to do with rules and laws my friend, it has to do with the consquences of war.

If India and Pakistan went to war they both know how that war would end; with both sides dropping nuclear bombs on the other. That, not some stupid law, is the deterrant.

Besides, America is going to war because a cease-fire agreement was broken, not because we woke up one day and felt the need to pick on poor ol' Iraq.

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Posted by: Search4Truth

America is the example of the world

countires will follow their lead, and now the threat reason is justified as a reason to attack

India says, Pakistan is a threat, and they are building weapons

consequence.....nuclear war

we also know, america was the leader of achieving peace
nobody will listen to america for peace advice after iraq

george bush is paving the path to a future of destruction

and even i know you can't deny that, because what im saying is true

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Posted by: Sean Kelly

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Originally posted by Search4Truth
countires will follow their lead, and now the threat reason is justified as a reason to attack


This is simplistic.. and incorrect. There was 12+ years of diplomacy leading up to this.. the world isn't blind.
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Posted by: Right-hand

Quite the thinker you are Search4Truth. I bet those Indians and Pakistanis are really going to be eager to destroy each other now that they have seen the US forcing Iraq to disarm.

"Hey look. The US is going to attack Iraq and force them to comply with the cease-fire agreement. Well that sounds like our que to go to nuclear war."

LOL. That's just brilliant. LOL.

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Posted by: Search4Truth

LOL Righthand, i didn't say that was gonna happen

I said it gives India a reason to attack, or any country

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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Originally posted by Sean Kelly


This is simplistic.. and incorrect. There was 12+ years of diplomacy leading up to this.. the world isn't blind.


You may be right Sir Sean - the world isn't blind, just a few protesters.
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Posted by: Right-hand

And like I have said before, no country needs any reason outside their own to attack another. The deterrants that were in place before this war will still be there after the war. Nothing has changed my friend.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

Russia now has the right to invade the Pankisi Gorge area of the Republic of Georgia(a strong U.S. ally) to ferret out Chechen Rebels. How will the Bush spin it to say it's wrong? Russia can EASILY and JUSTIFIABLY claim a "pre-emptive, self-defense strike"...it's exactly the same, they'd be rooting out terrorists who operate within their borders and hide in Georgia.

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Posted by: nowar

Terrorists the good justification ......

Tchechenya wanted their independence, refused by Russia and went to war against Russia ...... Russia comply with Article 51 of the United Nation Charter.

even if what they do in Tchechenya doesn't comply with ..........

But U.S./UK/Spain ?


@Right-Hand

no country needs any reason outside their own to attack another

????? anarchy ?????

damn what a wondefull world you see for the future

@Sean Kelly
This is simplistic.. and incorrect. There was 12+ years of diplomacy leading up to this.. the world isn't blind.

The world is blind and U.S./U.K./Spain are trying to give them light ..... with Fire

It's simplistic: US/UK/Spain violate international law for the Iraq war so why the others will not ?


@Dreamzwalker

about the posters, you were talking about you, Right-hand, Sean Kelly, ....

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Right - I've been blind for 12 years and what Saddam has done wasn't true.
I see the light now!
Thanks for pointing out how blind I am to the truth I have researched about Saddam for 12 years.
Guess Saddam killing his brothers and innocent children is a lie - and has been since 1964 when he started this.

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Posted by: nowar

you are blind when it doesn't fit with your ideas .......

quite easy to see only what serve your ideas ......

not to you but I'm still waiting the good thing facts U.S. gov did .....

History book sometime speak about bad thing others did ............ and when it does about YOUR (not only the US) it becomes .... forbidden ......

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Sometimes - - but looking at the history of Britain, France, Germany and others.
Who comes out as the worst?
Couldn't be the U.S - Only been here for a few hundred - not thousand.
Granted, I'm not proud of everything America has done - but Removing Saddam is a good idea.

Look at WWI and WWII for Good thing "facts." We saved S.Korea from invasion. Liberated states from spanish rule when Leaders where destroying lives.
Look what America did to the Indians...that was not healthy. How about slaves? I'm not proud of that.
But I am proud of our men moving to remove someone that destroys his peoples lives.
I am not blind when it doesn't fit my ideas - I look past them, much like pro-testers ignore the Death Saddam gives to his people.
Therefore, I cannot be truthfully labeled as blind unless both sides are as blind as each other. Too much of a fallacy for only one side of an argument to be 100 percent correct.
You are blind when it doesn't fit with your ideas as well. Guess we are equal then.

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Posted by: Right-hand

If the Russians felt it was in their best interests they would attack Chechnya with or without the approval of the UN. Now, that may not be in their best interest, which is likely the reason why they held back.

Anarchy and the free will of any country to do what it pleases are very different things. Your not a real bright one are you.

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Posted by: Right-hand

Oh yea, and about the positive contributions the US has made to the world, well I just don't feel like giving you a history lesson right now but if I get bored maybe I will a little later.

Are we perfect and holy? No. Have we made positive contributions to the world? Yes. Have we made more positive contributions to the world than most countries? No doubt about it. Have we made negitive contributions to the world? Yes. Have we made more negitive contributions to the world than most? No doubt about it.

My minor was history but even more important is that its my favorite subject. I know all about US history and not just from your standard sanatized history book. I know the high and low points in our history, its not all good but its definitly not all bad either. Especially when you put it all in context and perspective.

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Posted by: Charles

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Originally posted by Search4Truth
Thanks to GWB

our world has no war rules now

now India can attack Pakistan, and it will be a justified reason because they are a threat and our building weapons

AMERICA, cannot make peace agreements anymore because they will look like hypocrites

look at these effects
more wars are going to come as a result because of our moron president

THE FUTURE LOOKS DIM

thanks alot george bush!


Let's please try to stick to the fact of the case, Sir.

If the UN Security Council unanimously approved a resolution against a country that incorporated the "war clause" from a previous resolution regarding the same country that authorized the use of force, worded the resolution in the form of an ultimatum and made clear that this was its final opportunity to comply, incorporated a previous "cease fire" clause from a previous resolution that reminded the guilty country that the original cease fire was contingent upon their compliance with the terms of the cease fire, of which they were in violation (i.e. no cease fire), then your argument would be correct.

Now you are about to respond by bashing Isreal - lol.

I am pretty neutral on the case and believe in a Palestinian State. Please keep in mind that Isreal is surrounded by countries who have staged major coordinated invasions whose intent was to annihalate Isreal from the face of the earth. Isreal cannot rely upon UN decisiveness to protect her. In fighting for her life, she was able to defeat the invaders soundly. In doing so she acquired the territory of those invaders. Some territory was kept - not all. The regions that were kept were considered of strategic defensive value. Look at the map. The attack via Golon was barely defeated and only at huge cost. Without the West Bank, how long would it take for an Arab tank to drive the width of Isreal and cut it in half making coordinated defense untenable?
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Posted by: NothingSacred

But the question about Israel is...WHO THE HELL CARES? Give me one good reason that I should care about Israel? What does this NON-DEMOCRATIC, RELIGION discriminatory, Brutal, Neo-Apartheid regime do for me, other than give me a headache and encourage Arabs to join Al Queda?

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

If it gives you headache then stop talking about Israel in a forum about Iraq

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Posted by: Charles

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Originally posted by NothingSacred
But the question about Israel is...WHO THE HELL CARES? Give me one good reason that I should care about Israel? What does this NON-DEMOCRATIC, RELIGION discriminatory, Brutal, Neo-Apartheid regime do for me, other than give me a headache and encourage Arabs to join Al Queda?


You seem to care a lot. If I recall correctly, one of the main themes throughout your posts is Isreal.

If you do not care about Isreal, then please don't confuse us by referencing them further in your posts.
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Posted by: Charles

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Originally posted by NothingSacred
But the question about Israel is...WHO THE HELL CARES? Give me one good reason that I should care about Israel? What does this NON-DEMOCRATIC, RELIGION discriminatory, Brutal, Neo-Apartheid regime do for me, other than give me a headache and encourage Arabs to join Al Queda?


You seem to care a lot. If I recall correctly, one of the main themes throughout your posts is Isreal.

If you do not care about Isreal, then please don't confuse us by referencing them further in your posts.

But returning to the point, you didn't respond to my analysis of your claim that if the US/Allies enforce 1441 in Iraq, then it will lead to wholesale war and all countries bombing eachother, etc.
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Posted by: Right-hand

Because they are people too. They are a parlementary democracy BTW and I don't think anyone in Israel is encouraging anyone to join Al-Qaeda, they are encouraged by their extreme religious teachings.

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Posted by: Uncle Billy

religious teachings.. more wars fought in the name of God then in the name of Power. kinda makes you wonder.

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Posted by: NothingSacred

Israel is relevant, because Israel is the root cause of the problems between USA and the Muslim world. And Israel is a democracy, only in the sense that Apartheid South Africa was a democracy, a democracy for some, but not for others.

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Posted by: Uncle Billy

israel is elrelevant cause this is an iraq discussion. we can place blame back to the dawn of time and we will still be left with the same problems. placing blame from you to me to him doesn't do any thing for the problems but pro-long them. i say nuke the place and have a night light for a few years.. should give time for you to place blame back to the death of jesus.

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Posted by: Search4Truth

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Posted by: Right-hand

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If some country decides to attack someone, and if the US doesn't like it, NOW what are we going to say about it??!


The same thing we said to Saddam when he decided to invade Kuwait.

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If any country decides to attack another nation.. who are we to say anything?


We are the most powerful nation in the world who holds many types of deterrants that are more powerful than words on paper shown by the UN to have no teeth.

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If countries torture their prisoners.. who are we to say anything?


Other countries already do this.

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If any country defies international law.. who are we to say anything?


See the answer two your second question.

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If anyone silences dissent in their country.. who are we to say anything?


Huh?

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If any country repeatedly lies to the international community.. who are we to say anything?


My god they already do. Whats your point?

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If any country defies the United Nations.. who are we to say anything?


The UN is a joke.
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Posted by: Robdeuk

Remember Iraq did invade another country. We are now just doing what we should have had the balls to do in 1991! The UN still hasn't got the balls to do it now!

How many Governments are still in power in the world that have annexed other countries with the use of force (as in Kuwait/9o-1)?

Other than Israel that is. A problem that the whole world is still dancing around.

If the allies had just liberated invaded countries in WW2 and left the Nazis in power where would we be now

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Posted by: nowar

China ......

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