Kobe proven white until accused of rape

Kobe Bryant Forum

Kobe was clearly proven to be as white as any man alive. Rejected by players in the NBA because he wasn't black enough. He doesn't speak ebonics because English is not even his first language. He grew up in Italy so he wasn't accepted by the black kids at his school. He had a clean image, too clean for the gansta image that the NBA players love to boast about. And now that he has been accused of rape, you watch, he will get Johnny Cochran to defend him, and the Nation of Islam will act as his body gaurd. Jessie Jackson will stand up for him and all the black players in the NBA will support him. And finally, all the ganstas in da hood will riot if he is convicted. Does this sound like anyone else you've seen go through this before? Like maybe OJ? This proves that black people have a judicial complex in which they think every black man is wrongfully accused in every crime. Watch now, as live right before your eyes, over the next 5 months, we get to see Kobe turn into OJ.

that's not exactly a fair thing to say. check out the yahoo boards and see how many thousands of racist posts go up about how he's a monkey and couldn't resist white flesh and went berserk and raped her... i'm not talking a few, i'm talking thousands. The black people of america know that racism isn't dead, or even dying. I know that in Dallas police plant evidence and it's plausible that it happened in L.A. or where ever O.J.'s case took place. I also know that black men get royally screwed by the system and one KKK member in the jury =1 guilty vote no matter how much evidence to the contrary there is... I also know that not every black male behind bars is a political prisoner most dudes in jail deserve some punishment. But when you go to the job and every white person there is like "he did it!" you start to notice how the lines are drawn and decide that SOMEBODY's gotta be in this man's corner. it's obvious that black folks have gotten the legal short end of the stick, Kobe never outright dissed the black community, and you don't have to be gangster or speak ebonics to be black or be accepted by black people, I speak englishs. About the riots, people don't riot unless the think they have a reason to, if the system that you pay taxes to support doesn't defend you at all, it's time to take a dump on the system. People don't just riot because it's 4:42 on a tuesday, they riot because they are pissed the hell off and can't do anything else about it. anyways i'm sleep deprived and rambling... there's nothing wrong with black people standing behind kobe w/o knowing all of the facts, because i'm sure there are twice the number of white people who "know" he raped that girl... with the same amont of info. Johnny Cochran is NOT on the case, Kobe isn't muslim so the Nation isn't behind him, and we don't think every black man is innocent, most people are sure that R. Kelly did it, but this, this just doesn't make any sense and we're not trying to see any runaway lynchmobs, excuse us for being concerned.

Well Said Elckabomb2k....I'm white, I think Kobe is innocent, I think R. Kelly is guilty as sin and that he is just a sick man. I also love Shaq and Hory......Oh my God .......NEWS FLASH .....This just in ......NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST !

It is opinions like yours that encourage people to be racist because you force them into a corner and make them pick sides .... it is not about side it is about guilty or innocent! Get a clue people, we fought for your freedom! Duh! Its not like you did all by yourself! The white people who owned your great grandparents knew it was a sin to control human life like that and they stood up for you.

When does the racism end?

smit why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say once that all whites were racists, i said that there were clear racial lines drawn across america and that racism was alive and well and will affect kobe's case. I also said that black people react to seeing kobe (who up 'till now seemed like a pretty decent guy) getting 'ganged up on' and stand up for him, because right now, this is looking a little bit too much like rosewood. I'm assuming the comment about "we fought for your freedom! duh!" is referring to the civil war, Honest abe himself said the war wasn't about slavery, and if he could have ended it without freeing a single slave he would have. AND my great grandparents were from the west indies, and they did free themselves. To Shotgun: We don't collectively stand behind every black person in trouble, If this isht happened to dennis rodman, nobody would care. Smitt, i'm not trying to make anybody pick sides, but nobody should be naive about this either.

Elk, you said you don't see a problem with black people getting behind Kobe, but you did see a problem with whites already believing he is guilty. What's the difference? Each side believes the way they do for racist reasons ... why is one justified and the other not?
As for posts saying kobe couldn't resist the white girl, i've seen countless posts saying the white girl couldn't resist the huge penis of a black man. Aren't these the same thing as well?
I absolutely despise double standards, and it sounds like you are advocating one.
Another example is your comment on the civil war. You said the war wasn't about slavery (which is the consensus of most historians) but at the same time i bet you object to south carolina flying the confederate flag. If the war wasn't about slavery, then why object to the flying of the confederate flag that the ancestors of many south carolinans died under?
Now, it's possible that you have no objection to the flag whatsoever, and i have strayed off topic a little bit.
The bottom line is that contemporary politics allow for countless double standards and they PISS ME OFF. Kobe bryant is innocent until proven guilty, and that decision should be made by the facts of the case. Anybody who picks a side before hearing the facts (and considering them without bias) is wrong - no matter what side they pick.

He said that Abe said "the war isn't about slavery" The then president said that.

WHy is it that Neo-nazi's, kkk, and white separitsts wave the conferderate flag?
IF the flag is just paying homage to civil war soldiers?

I said the south carolina capital building ... obviously those groups have bad intentions. NOt everybody does. To some, that flag represents courage, honor, and pride in their heritage and home. Why deny them this because a symbol is misused by some, and consequently misinterpreted by others?

you'll notice my not making a big deal about the flag they need to take that to a state vote i think and leave it at that. I personally would vote against it, because it's the flag of a nation that went against the us in a war, i see it kinda like putting a N.Korean flag above the capitol. Right or wrong i'm going to back kobe up, being stationed in the armpit of the universe i've seen how law enforcement and local ppl act to blacks in an area that's 98% and i'm not seeing a fair trial in his future (my clairvoyance isn't great, but it doesn't need to be for this one) I've seen dozens and dozens of yahoo posts saying "let's just lynch 'im now" and i don't really feel compelled to be the bigger person.

Actually elk, the US went to war against the confederates, not the other way around. The south just wanted to be left alone, they didn't want a war. Remember, fort sumter only had 1 casualty, and that was an accident.
As for you holding your position because you've read some posts that said, "lets lynch him," that is sad. What you're doing is no better than that person, he's just a little more crude in his speech. And your contention that Kobe won't get a fair trial is riddiculous, if anything the scales tip in his advantage. Did OJ get a fair trial? Fair means impartial, not pro-minority.
Elk, you're the kind of person that speaks out of both sides of his/her mouth when it comes to race. You see the racism of a few and project it onto those you don't know -- that's the definition of predjudice. You probably know a lot of white people who you don't consider racist, but that would change the second they were on a jury.
You don't have to behave in a way that counterbalances the racists, don't stoop that low. It makes you a racist in return, which is just as bad whether you aknowledge it or not.

well put....can this case just be about a possible rape ?

I'm pretty sure we started the korean war too, I'm just not for putting somebody else's flag above our capitols regardless, i don't see it as a sign or racism and i think it's unfortunate that hate groups misuse it. I also don't think i'm being racist when i say i support kobe, i haven't said i think he didn't do it, i said i'm not going to shun the man and in reply to the first post that he doesn't have to rob liquor stores for me to see him as a black man... you're reading a little bit too much into what i'm saying. About my supposing kobe won't get a fair trial, maybe i go too far, i know is i live in a backwoods part of america with a demographic similar to eagle county's and my white friends don't ride with me anywhere because they don't like getting pulled over whenever i drive, that wal-mart greeters don't greet me, I get funny stares, and nobody in retail asks if they can help me find what i need. I wouldn't trust them to treat me impartially if they were on a jury and thought i raped a white girl.

And in a post in another thread i also said that it's ignorant to say that the alleged victim couldn't resist a black man and just had to have it. I support Kobe Bryant, the man, and don't think he's "proven white until accused of rape" i don't think that makes me a racist.

Perhaps i am being too hard on you elk. If you are supporting the 'Man' of Kobe bryant, because you think you have a good read on his character, then i can understand that. I thought you were supporting him for solely reasons of color.
It's unfortunate that you live in a community that you described, but i hope that you would always give people the benefit of the doubt when you think you are getting a funny stare. About a month ago i was asked to open my coat as i left wal-mart, and i thought to myself that if i was black i would probably think that i was profiled. Our perspective can often project things on others, and it's impossible to know which cases are innocent and which are race-inspired. I firmly believe that the vast majority of the country is not racist, and I find it difficult to grasp that the few racist people in america always seem to end up on juries.
In the end i want the same thing you do, a fair and impartial trial for kobe, one that focuses on evidence and not race.

I guess the saying "Once you go blonde, you can never go back" is oh so true.

that's not true, i've gone blonde and back a few times.

she's mexican

why?

Because Jeem thinks that no black man can resist a white girl. I believe the term was "Black man's Kryptonite" and quotes from Undercover Brotha as his back up for this theory.

Yeah, almost exactly. I'd modify "no black man" to "almost no black man".

Jeem, i'm gonna have to say you're wrong. as a young black man who knows other young black men (dozens and dozens even) piles of my own anecdotal evidence have shown that if any one race had us preternaturally (not sure i used that right) smitten it's hispanic women. Look at the music videos it's mostly puerto rican and dominican girls shaking their booties. Ask a black man if he's rather hook up with Salma Hayek or Anna Kournikova, i'd bet that you get more Salmas than Annas. Thinking of all my friends (and i'm a pretty social guy) I only know 2 black guys who REALLY had a thing for white girls, and i've been raised in multiracial communities all my life, no shortage of white chicks if you want 'em.

I don't know about them being mostly hispanic. Most of them look like a mix between black and white or black and hispanic. If you are right, can you explain why so many people, like Malcolm Lee (director of Undercover Brother) have it so wrong? As for what kind of girls black men prefer, maybe a poll is in order.

Again Jeem, as Ive been down this road with you before this isn't as big a thing as you seem to believe it is! MOST black men do not like white chicks.. Some do yes. Some dont care what color she is so long as she is putting out! MOST is a very large overstatement. Just cause someone makes a satirical move about it (notice he goes right back to the sista in the end) doesnt make it true.

well, if i rememeber correctly, undercover brother was not a documentary, it was a comedy. I was looking at some of your other posts jeem and the overwhelming majority of them are about black men not wanting black women, what's up with you and this issue? Please tell me you're not basing the sexual experiences about an entire race based on what you saw in a movie, I don't base everything I know on a "kentucky fried movie" please don't be stupid.

Of course I am not basing it on the movie. The movie however is making fun of a very readily observable phenomenon. Surely, you are do not denying its existence?

that black men like white women? Sure we do, just like we like black ones, asian ones, hispanic ones, and any group of females i may have missed so long as they're cute. People make a bigger deal out of black guys with white girls, but it's not a phenomenon. and you never said what your obsession with interracial relationships was.

I like taboo subjects because people can't bring themselves to talk about it honestly.

Jeem, you're still not talking to me, you're saying things, but you're not giving me whys or hows. For Goodness sake you gave me a one word vague answer when i asked you to explain what you meant by kryptonite. "Weakness" is very, very nondescript, I was looking for something that sounded more like... "Black men do ____ when white women are around" or "Black men spend inordinate time thinking about white women" I'm actually trying to figure out where you're coming from.

The Cloak of night comment wasn't accusing you of saying that, i was just getting the obvious extreme situation out of the way.


why didn't you say the lame and blatantly dishonest reasons people give for black men liking white women?

that last post wasn't done... it just kinda posted automatically... more in a second.

i don't see how being black would affect my qualification to tell you what the black guys i know like. Like i said, there's no point in me lying and if you think that's what i plan to do there's no point in us talking about this.

Can we hear some of your anecdotal evidence? or get a link to some of your stats? please?

There are actually more than a dozen types of kryptonite
green K - makes kryptonians experience loss of superpowers and start to die
Red K - Makes kryptonians personality's reverse good to evil and vice versa.
gold K - permanant power loss
Synthetic Red K- makes kryptonian's skin translucent.
white K destroys plant life.
X-k gives cats superpowers
Blue K hurts bizarro super-types. and the list goes on.... anyways

and yeah, you were being civil, now lets work on not being nitpicky.

I thought about the black man's kryptonite comment over, and I have come to the conclusion, that you are right. Black men don't have any particular weakness when it comes to white women, as opposed to men of any other races. I suppose black men are the just most glaring example. A more accurate statement would be: white women are every man's kryptonite.

if white women are every man's kryptonite, then that would make them black men's kryptonite too. I submit my version "women are men's kryptonite"

I take it, white women must be the gold kryptonite...

See Elk? White women are better, they are the gold kryptonite.

I am not saying where it is right or wrong, nor am I saying it is good or bad. But it is currently simply a statement of fact. I don't know why you'd bang your head against a wall...

what about all the guys with freaky asian fetishes? Are asian women synthetic red kryptonite? The world isn't going insane for white women, guys just wanna get laid by whatever they think is cute and that's ONE thing that we know for sure isn't affected by race.

What you say is obviously correct. When you can't be too picky, you take what you can get. But when you are in a position where you can be more discriminating with your choices, a clearer pattern seems to emerge. As for the Asian fetish, I don't really see any signifcant portion of any non-Asian male population falling over for them.

so you're saying that when some rich black men go for white women because they have more options, they are proving that some black men like white women.

Jeem you have not yet offered a fact. Just one opinion that white women are the best. Good. Keep dating them and be happy!

You have this distorted view of reality that black men want white women. Sure some do, but its not the rule. But you have this in your mind as a fact so you keep saying the same things over and over again.

And Ive been saying that your statement is incorrect, not that it does any good. Hence the

Elkabong2k, you're still not talking to me, you're saying things, but you're not giving me whys or hows. For Goodness sake you gave me a one line platitude that people like other people after I answered your request. I guess your counter to why black men date white women more when they are more wealthy/successful/famous is... people like people. This is the lame and blatantly dishonest reason I was talking about earlier.

What is overall "best" is not determined by me, but by the market at large. Whatever is in the most demand is best because that is what most people want. A good indicator is to look at what the most powerful and rich people want. I don't think there can be any dispute the results are skewed in one direction.

lame and blatantly dishonest? I honestly don't think there's anything special about white women and don't know many black men who do. Who are you to call me a liar? That's my answer, you haven't said anything yet. You didn't say black men date white women when they're succesfull you said white women are the kryptonite of the world. Why do you think they're so supremely desired by anyone? Quit trying to argue with anything and say something that makes sense

So because you've seen a few black celebrities with white wives, all black men secretly covet white women?

You can't really trust what people say, because as we all know, talk is cheap. Judge people by their actions rather than words. As for you being a lair, I wasn't talking about you, whether you lie or not is irrelevent. Successful non-white men with white women is very common. Successful non-black men with black women is very uncommon. Same can be said for Asians.

so what you're saying is that white men only like white women?

"Only like" would imply to the exclusion of others. I'd prefer "prefer".

ok. so what we've established is that white men prefer white women, and nobody else cares who they hook up with so long as they find them attractive. case closed.

I don't really want to get into this, but I think this is a really pointless argument, so I just want to tell you two that people like what they like, you can't categrise or generalise on this. I've seen attractive people of all races in my rather short life, and I'm sure so have you. You're both taking each other's arguments out of context and it's just going to keep going...
Oh, and by the way, one thing

i did, but you have been coming light on facts and info, and quite heavy on just quoting me and trying to split hairs. An "excange" implies reciprocation, sharing even... and you still haven't even clarified the kryptonite statement some 2 pages ago. I just balled up as much of the little bit that you DID actually say (once again it was hard to tell because you seemed to avoid making any cold, hard statements). I'm pretty much done with this thread, and i think i've gathered from this thread all i really need to know. Talking to you is pointless, because you're not trying to make any points, it seems like you're putting too much of your effort into trying to prove me wrong, than prove yourself right.
posting in this thread isn't really fun, because it's not going anywhere

TRUTH IS WHITE WOMEN ARE ''EASY'' AND GENERALLY WILL DO ANYTHING FOR SEXUAL GRATIFICATION. CASE CLOSED THAT'S MY OPINION, SO NO ONE NEEDS TO GET UPSET. HAVE A GOOD DAY

eeeh, i wouldn't say white women are easier... some just aren't as dificult

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Smit1199 how can someone encourage someone to be racist? If you're racist you're just racist. Oh by the way, white people did not OWN my great grandparents, you can't OWN a human being. You tell him lovely one. What i would like to know is where was Smit1199 and his ancesters when god was dishing out the brains? They were probably too busy giving our people a hard time while counting the profits. These lily white liberals are all the same. They make out that they are on our side but what do they do? they end up talking complete and utter rubbish! How can some one make such a dumb remark. People like Smit1199 make me sick!